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re: GOE (Game of Estrogen)
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:33 pm to Roger Klarvin
It's not like Hodors are so helpless that they can't use Google.
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Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:39 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
i agree with you based on the fact that him abducting her doesnt make a whole lot of sense, and was fraught with bad consequences that he surely could foresee
i dont think the show has time for that kind of subtlety though...at this point, it doesnt matter why what happened, just that it did, and it resulted in something important
i dont think the show has time for that kind of subtlety though...at this point, it doesnt matter why what happened, just that it did, and it resulted in something important
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
You bring up a good point I had not considered lately.
When Sansa mentioned to LF that Lyanna was kidnapped, he smirked , as if he knew the truth.
Fast forward to now, LF saves the day in the North.
So if he's aware that Jon isn't a product of an abduction and rape, but a legit heir complete with some type of document that shows R and L were actually married (in the crypts?)
Whats LF gonna do? Tell Jon? Kill Jon? Convince Jon to take the throne?
When Sansa mentioned to LF that Lyanna was kidnapped, he smirked , as if he knew the truth.
Fast forward to now, LF saves the day in the North.
So if he's aware that Jon isn't a product of an abduction and rape, but a legit heir complete with some type of document that shows R and L were actually married (in the crypts?)
Whats LF gonna do? Tell Jon? Kill Jon? Convince Jon to take the throne?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 6:38 pm to jefforize
Now he knows Jon owes him a favor. I doubt he will ever tell Jon he knows the truth.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:00 pm to cgrand
quote:Well, I don't know about that. If Sansa and LF show up on the battlefield with thousands of soldiers, outnumbering Ramsay, it's likely that he retreats into Winterfell, where he can hold off a siege for years, during a bitter winter.
Either Sansa planned Littlefinger's late arrival — in which case she's responsible for the carnage and for recovering Winterfell, or she didn't and gets no credit for the victory. She just got lucky. I worry — I really do — that Game of Thrones, by eliding the horrific compromises she'd have had to make offscreen to make this work, is awkwardly trying to make her virtuous and a great planner, a feminist powerhouse who might still be a force for good. The Battle of the Bastards made that structurally impossible. I hope they see that. I hope they don't try to make her both.
Maybe Wun Wun still breaks the door down, but with Ramsay's full force inside the walls, it would still cost him his life, and Jon's army would still lose a lot of men storming through the small opening.
The way it went down, Ramsay's entire army is gone and Sansa has Winterfell now, rather than later, which is essential in their forthcoming war against the NK.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:10 pm to Bard
I've noticed. I just never really gave a shite. Because you know, who gives a frick?
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:45 pm to blueboy
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The chain of events started when Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar. If she'd kept her obligation to marry Robert and not gotten involved with a married man (something women love to do), none of this would have happened.
Yeah...cause poor Rhaegar was forced and errthang.....
Posted on 6/21/16 at 7:59 pm to MardiGrasRazorback
quote:It was all on Lyanna. She could have just said no, but went with him anyway.
Yeah...cause poor Rhaegar was forced and errthang.....
Unless you really think he abducted her, in which case you're just stupid.
quote:Confirmed.
Arkansas Fan
Posted on 6/21/16 at 8:08 pm to blueboy
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Don't be condescending.
I didn't intend to be. Sorry if that's how it came across. At the very least I didn't categorically attack your character, and there's a lot of that going around.
I really am trying to express what I think about these types of discussions in our culture. I do think that the language of media criticism has been very successfully changed by feminism. That made a lot of sense when you look back at some television and movies of the 50s, 60s, and 70s. Media began to shift with programs like All in the Family taking on overtly moral commentaries.
What we have today makes a lot less sense to me. We've gone past the point where people who are taken seriously dismiss women for being women or say overtly racist things without paying a price. There actually is an issue with the way that men are seldom depicted as good fathers in nuclear family or single family scenarios - the hollywood exception being if you have a single father whose wife died and he's struggling along and doing his best.
It isn't a good thing that a very large component of our media criticism is sort of watch dog hijacked by people who get very riled up if you offend their sensibilities. You aren't wrong to notice that and criticize that. I just think sometimes you've seen it enough that you have become just as sensitive to the issue (from the opposite perspective) as some of the worse examples on the left that you detest.
Posted on 6/22/16 at 10:29 am to jefforize
I don't think LF would have anyway of knowing Jon was their son even if he knows she went with Rheagar willingly. Only HR and Ned could possibly know.
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