re: GOE (Game of Estrogen)

Its pretty fricking heavy handed.

"Hey did you see this STRONG FEMALE CHARACTER?"

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This site is densely populated by the far religious right and their massive, perpetual victim complex. Everything is a PC liberal conspiracy by atheists, Jews and Muslims to destroy the American family and tear down middle to upper class white Christian males.

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There are also plenty of people who post here who are willfully ignorant of what is going on around them because it doesn't fit their world view.

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Jon's bumble headed move to charge the enemy lines was a major reason they were all set to be slaughtered like the Romans at Canae before the Vale saved their asses. He completely abandoned the plan.

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well technically Davos could have just let Jon charge alone and commit suicide

Jon realized he was fricked either way after doing what I would think anybody would do and try to save their little brother

With respect I don't think you are really upset because anything the show has done so much as what your perceptions about our larger culture have made you look for in the show. But the job of an author is to tell a compelling story. The inference of multiple, contradictory messages ought to be possible to recognize whenever an author succeeds to any extent.

I think your sensitivity to tone or sexual themes in media isn't qualitatively different from the very real sensitivity that people from the feminist left still have (half a century after the second wave feminists began to demonstrate). That's not inherently a criticism of either point of view IMO. To some extent your reaction and use of the same tools is probably just an adoption of the same political language the people with whom you disagree have been successful.

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This doesn't make him an idiot. It makes him rash and emotional at the time, which, all things considered, might not be smart but is understandable

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No. It makes him an idiot, particularly since Sansa warned him not to do what Ramsay wanted him to do. It's clear Jon hasn't figured it out yet, despite being assassinated by his own fricking brothers. He has no guile and no ability to problem solve. He's an idiot in the show, which he isn't in the books.

I understand what you are saying, but things aren't always as they seem. I counter your points with the following points:

1. Danaerys - cannot properly lead without advisement from a man who has to talk her down from going to the extreme.

2. Yara Greyjoy - has told her brother a few times now that she needs him/his help. She isn't doing this alone.

3. Sansa Stark -Is nothing without Jon and LF at her side. She cannot rule on her own.

4. Olenna Tyrell - the only woman that is truly in charge of things and properly holding the family together. That means she'll be dead soon.

5. Ellaria Sand - she's a nobody without her dead lover. I seriously doubt any army is going to follow her because she is batshit crazy.

6. Cersei Lannister - only has power because of her son, which is quickly diminishing due to her own bad decisions. She cannot defend herself and really only has three people on her team. Her brother, Qburn and Frankenmountain. She's as good as dead without their help.

7. Margery Tyrell Lannister - is right up there with grandma and playing a great long game. But really, she wouldn't have any power if she had not married Tommen.

Arya -has no army, has no power, has nobody helping her. Nobody even knows she is alive. She isn't taking over anything other than control of her own life.

Brienne-a great warrior. She will never rule or have any sort of power and will probably die soon because of her unwavering loyalty to Sansa. [/quote]

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well...male heroes in a patriarchal society is the obvious storyline with many acres of storybook pages as precedent. you want martin and the showrunners to do something less obvious and/or "twisty", then there it is. strong female characters upending the millenia-old male power structure, making decisions and wielding power not because they inherited it but because they have the talent and will to do so

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I mean i think people say that because its more gritty and realistic. Major Characters die.

And yeah SOME female characters are fine. But if Sansa, Dany, Yara, Ellaria all end up ruling in the end then thats pretty fantastic.

Also all of them are overated. Everyone of them

Dany- nothing without dragons. Literally nothing without the Westeros version of a nuclear warhead

Sansa- getting mad props for basically jsut telling LF to do EXACTLY what LF was already doing.

Ellaria-murdered the Prince of Dorne, because the showrunners hated the whole fricking Dorn plot. The Sand Snakes are all literally back stabbers (Tristan Giant Dude with useless axe thing)

Yara is ok i guess. But the Ironborn sort just lose.

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Jon realized he was fricked either way after doing what I would think anybody would do and try to save their little brother

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Well right, but do you think Twin Lannister rides out to save Kevan like that?

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Well right, but do you think Twin Lannister rides out to save Kevan like that?

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Kevan? no

but Jamie would ride out to Cersei and probably Tyrion

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the ENTIRE chain of events that has happened in the series and before with Robert's war was created by fricking women.

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starting when?
rhaegar and littlefinger in my reading are the authors of most of the misfortune