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re: Game of Thrones S6:E4 "Book of The Stranger" Bookreader Thread
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:30 am to jefforize
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:30 am to jefforize
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The sheer amount of mileage that LF and Sansa would have to travel to meet in 1 episode is outrageous. The eyrie and castle black are about as far away as Miami and Alberta
It's worse than you can imagine at this point - I'm not knocking this, because of the other stuff we're accepting in the show, dragons, unburnable queens, zombies, liches, Frankenmountain, etc. - but it's one thing to take a carriage and small entourage and make like hell for Winterfell, send advance messages to the Freys and Boltons, and make a reasonably rapid advance - maybe 25 miles on a good road in a day.
Now - LF is at the head of an army. With any infantry at all, you cut that to half - they can force march 20 miles in a day, but they won't be able to do that all the way to Winterfell and then fight. Even all cavalry would be hard pressed to make more than 40 miles a day (forced - you would have to change horses to sustain this very far) and probably about the same speed as the smaller wagon party would make, 20 miles a day (heck, spot them 30 assuming perfect condition and well-maintained King's Road which cannot be assumed during the war) - and that's not counting the fact they have to talk their way past the Freys at the Twins or fight their way across there.
So, we're just going to have to suspend disbelief if they come from the Eyrie by land - Now by sea? If an army sailed from Gulltown and landed at White Harbor (with the Manderly's approval, tacit or otherwise) - then maybe. But that's a lot of logistics - we're assuming an army of ~5k+ knights of the vale. Otherwise, it won't make much of a difference, right?
That's a lot of boats to bring horses over, yeah.
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:30 am to Cash
As long as you don't start spouting N + C = J.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:32 am to Cash
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Are non-book readers who pay attention and have a clue welcome here? I had to pull the rip cord on the Hodor thread.
Yes. All that is required is that you reject the notion that knowledge is bad. There is no reason to fear spoilers now, as the show is ahead of the books on most (not quite all) story points.
Welcome, my brother.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:34 am to Ace Midnight
I've fallen down enough wiki rabbit holes. Anything that could be spoiled is already spoiled.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:38 am to Ace Midnight
If they had enough boats they could bypass Whiteharbor entirely (since Winterfell and Dreadfort would still be between them and the wall) and sail directly to Eastwatch and then March west.
He also could have left the bulk of the army behind and just come to get in touch with Sansa.
He also could have left the bulk of the army behind and just come to get in touch with Sansa.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:38 am to Cash
What is spoiled can never spoil
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:42 am to BluegrassBelle
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As do I. I don't buy any of the he kidnapped and raped her bit either.
i don't recall a single reasonable explanation given as to why the heir to the throne would kidnap the daughter of one of his vassals, out of the blue, then have her father and brother killed for being pissed about it
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:43 am to ell_13
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why would it be so important to kill all of Robert's bastards?
bc they are actually Robert's children and J, T, and M are not.
As long as there are rumors that J/T/M are bastards born of incest you risk someone taking one of the bastards and trying to put them on the throne. (Obviously Stannis and Shireen have better claims and are still alive in the books)
The Targs spent the better part of 65 years dealing with Blackfyre rebellions. The last of which Tywin Lannister fought in (War of the Ninepenny Kings) so he obviously knows the dangers that bastards can cause.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 9:45 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:43 am to iluvdatiger
Dany's stunt titties were nice but that ending made me cringe. I'm surprised she didn't crowd-surf like the season 3 finale.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 9:44 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:43 am to CorporateTiger
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He also could have left the bulk of the army behind and just come to get in touch with Sansa.
likely
certainly he would want her to know they are coming
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:47 am to wildtigercat93
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Did I miss a more obvious conclusion to what the sparrow told Tommen? Or was it just that Margery needed to repent? The conversation between the sparrow and Tommen seemed like nothing was said of note, and then this week he tells Cercei some crazy secret that he promised not to tell or something like that
The first thing I thought of was Cercei's prophecy, 'that she ill see her children in golden shrouds'. I think Tommen or already has told Cercei the HS's secret and that will end up being Tommen's death. When Cercei and Jaime sit in on the High Council, that is when they are turning 'the secret' to their advantage, but it will somehow backfire.
That is my opinion.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:47 am to cgrand
To be clear Aerys killed Rickard and Brandon, not Rhaegar. I don't even think Rhaegar was in KL when it happened. It is pretty heavily hinted that Rhaegar was planning on deposing his father for the good of the realm. He would have (tried to) make peace with Rickard and Brandon.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:48 am to CorporateTiger
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If they had enough boats they could bypass Whiteharbor entirely (since Winterfell and Dreadfort would still be between them and the wall) and sail directly to Eastwatch and then March west.
True. Perhaps the Manderly army marches north to the Dreadfort and lays siege there, drawing Bolton strength away - I mean, unless they're just replacing the GNC with LF/Robert Aryn save the day.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:50 am to Ace Midnight
Yeah I was just making the point that even if you landed the Vale army at Whiteharbor, you still have a whole ton of enemy controlled territory between you and Sansa.
Winterfell and Dreadfort and (the Karstark hold) all run in a line west to east north of Whiteharbor. Eastwatch is your port of you want to get to Sansa.
Winterfell and Dreadfort and (the Karstark hold) all run in a line west to east north of Whiteharbor. Eastwatch is your port of you want to get to Sansa.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:53 am to Byron Bojangles III
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Well two sand snakes are already in kings landing so they're not finished with them yet
Have we seen them? In King's Landing or just on the ship (which I think was a botched plotline). I'm being serious.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:53 am to CorporateTiger
are we assuming that Ramsay actually wrote the letter?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:55 am to Carson123987
There was a long arse discussion about that in the low 20s pages. I think pretty much everything that can be said on the subject has been said.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:56 am to LSU2NO
Dorne, in its entirety - at least on the show is a:
Sadly, so am I.
The only thing I can think is that a Dornish army, perhaps led by the Sand Snakes takes the place of Young Griff/Aegon for purposes of investing King's Landing in the future.
But, other than that, the more they put Dorne in the show, the more they mess it up. Other than Oberyn, they messed up every single thing, story wise, that was attached to or related to Dorne (in the show) - IMHO, of course.
It is so bad, you can add it to:
Jumped the Shark
Nuked the Fridge
Visited Dorne
The next great expression.
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botched plotline
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I'm being serious.
Sadly, so am I.
The only thing I can think is that a Dornish army, perhaps led by the Sand Snakes takes the place of Young Griff/Aegon for purposes of investing King's Landing in the future.
But, other than that, the more they put Dorne in the show, the more they mess it up. Other than Oberyn, they messed up every single thing, story wise, that was attached to or related to Dorne (in the show) - IMHO, of course.
It is so bad, you can add it to:
Jumped the Shark
Nuked the Fridge
Visited Dorne
The next great expression.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:00 am to Carson123987
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are we assuming that Ramsay actually wrote the letter?
I think that's fairly certain now - at least on the show. The details are so specific and up to date.
The bastard letter in the books is based on things that are essentially unknown to any POV character, so it functions as a media report. But is it trustworthy? Is it accurate? Is the purpose sincere or is it by erstwhile allies trying to get Jon Snow into the fight?
I don't think we have any of those nuances in the show - the only possible alternative (in my mind) would be SJU - if the GNC has anything left in it at all, or at the extreme end, LF. But, I doubt it is anything other than what it purports to be. This leads to assumptions about the book's bastard letter as well, but we'll just have to see on that one.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:03 am to Cash
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Are non-book readers who pay attention and have a clue welcome here? I had to pull the rip cord on the Hodor thread
Very welcome. Of course you read at your own risk as there will of course be lots of discussion from the books in this thread. Middle Ground Thread is an alternate which (if I'm remember right) allows book info up to the point that it has happened in the show.
My understanding of the ground rules in this thread are:
1- All book info is welcome. Some have not read the sample chapters from WoW but I've never seen any complaints about conversations regarding those chapters.
2- Spoiler info that comes from sources like people claiming to have been on the set or in a place that gets a copy for translation for foreign countries are definitely forbidden. They sneak in sometimes but it's possible to avoid them (I've managed to avoid them anyway).
3- "Spoilers" and speculation for things like legitimately released trailers, casting call descriptions, etc. seems to be a grey area. I've followed a lot of that stuff on other sites and you can tell that a lot of people on here haven't by the questions that arise. I've mostly avoided bringing in that knowledge but I'm not sure if there is a rule against it.
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