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re: Game of Thrones S6:E3 "Oathbreaker" Bookreader Thread
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:22 pm to CorporateTiger
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:22 pm to CorporateTiger
House Umber hates wildings, they need help against them and turn to Ramsay. Pretty sure Rickon actor even confirmed shaggy dog being gone
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:24 pm to CorporateTiger
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I agree, Ramsay should want Rickon dead ASAP. If Ramsay was smart Rickon would be beheaded on the spot, and how could Umber take that chance?
Agreed. It doesn't make any sense why he doesn't immediately kill him. Rickon's mere existence nullifys Ramsays claim to Winterfell.
Granted the show doesn't think these things through and simply goes for excitement over common sense. So since that's out the window, let's sit back and see where it will go.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:25 pm to CE Tiger
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Pretty sure Rickon actor even confirmed shaggy dog being gone
That is more shite writing then. All the other wolves experienced a grand death on screen.
I have been underwhelmed by this season to some extent.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:30 pm to PatDyesPants
The kid also left open the possibility of the GNC. He just said he read the dog was dead and he was disappointed, the script doesn't have footnotes saying whether it's actually shaggy dog or not
Plus actor interviews are completely useless knowledge. Sometimes they tell the truth, other times they purposely mislead
Plus actor interviews are completely useless knowledge. Sometimes they tell the truth, other times they purposely mislead
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:49 pm to OMLandshark
At risk of being called a miserable person again... if the GNC is dead and the North is just decided by a giant Jon v. Ramsay brawl, I will be really disappointed. The same goes for the books and the show.
The GNC perfectly brings together the character of the North and their loyalty and respect for tradition. The other ending is just lazy writing designed to give people a big battle with the "protagonist."
The GNC perfectly brings together the character of the North and their loyalty and respect for tradition. The other ending is just lazy writing designed to give people a big battle with the "protagonist."
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:55 pm to CorporateTiger
The GNC is very a possibly a figment of a bunch of readers imaginations. All we really have for certain is Manderly, who is probably going to turn on the Boltons in the show, too.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:56 pm to UncleBlazer
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If it is, I don't see how Umber could assure himself that ramsay wouldn't cut off rickon's member right there
That's a great point.
It pisses me off that the Umbers would turn coat.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:56 pm to ohiovol
As I said, my annoyance will apply to the books too, so bring it GRRM
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:56 pm to CorporateTiger
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If Ramsay was smart Rickon would be beheaded on the spot, and how could Umber take that chance?
He really should want Sansa back. I could see him use him to try to lure her back or have her brought back to him by any house that finds her and THEN kill him.
Of course this leads to the question - wasn't it just last week that Roose was going on about how important it was to have Sansa for the north to follow them. Now, at least on the surface, its looking like all these houses are falling over each other to ally with the Boltons and they hate the Starks so if they are being honest (BIG IF) having Sansa as Ramsey's wife would actually hurt him in his alliances.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:03 pm to CorporateTiger
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The GNC perfectly brings together the character of the North and their loyalty and respect for tradition. The other ending is just lazy writing designed to give people a big battle with the "protagonist."
Exactly.
Umber siding with Ramsay immediately goes against everything we have read and know about the Northern families.
But the fact that he just gives up Rickon so willingly to Ramsay doesn't make sense if it's a trap. Ramsay could kill him right there. Umber knows he is a maniac.
But I also I can't in my mind believe that " getting tired of Wildlings" is a legit reason for the Umbers, an extremely loyal family to the Starks, to turn coat and join the Boltons.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:07 pm to CBandits82
That's what confuses me too about this whole deal.
And why hand Osha over to Ramsey if they hate Wildlings? Why didn't Smalljon kill her on the spot when he first saw her?
And why hand Osha over to Ramsey if they hate Wildlings? Why didn't Smalljon kill her on the spot when he first saw her?
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 9:08 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:11 pm to ladytiger118
Bc hodors wouldn't have known who Rickon was without osha there with him 
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:22 pm to wildtigercat93
That's sad but true .
I tend to wonder if I'm overthinking it at this point. The rewatch had me wondering what Smalljon's plan is and that it just can't be as simple as "frick Wildlings here's Rickon for you to turn into Reekon!" Just something doesn't add up.
. I tend to wonder if I'm overthinking it at this point. The rewatch had me wondering what Smalljon's plan is and that it just can't be as simple as "frick Wildlings here's Rickon for you to turn into Reekon!" Just something doesn't add up.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:25 pm to ladytiger118
On the other hand, "I fricking hate Ramsay, let me hand him a key to consolidating power in the North" doesn't quite add up either.
I guess it is overall a good sign that the show can have us this confused, but I can't imagine this all being so straighforward
I guess it is overall a good sign that the show can have us this confused, but I can't imagine this all being so straighforward
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:28 pm to CorporateTiger
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At risk of being called a miserable person again...
How dare you have a differing opinion! Burn him!
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:35 pm to CBandits82
Too many things aren't adding up with the whole ramsey/umbers/rickon thing. And i feel like Osha should have been wildlingly pissed and thrashing at that point. I think it's all a setup to gain bolton trust, get them all in one place and kill off every bolton army member when they least expect it. Probably at a party somwhere.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:41 pm to iluvdatiger
Is there psychological value to the other Northern houses at a male Stark being back in Winterfell? Just spitballing.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:42 pm to PatDyesPants
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:46 pm to PatDyesPants
Maybe Tradition? A stark must always be at Winterfell? What if umber knows who Jon really is bc Howland Reed told him? Everyone is in on the plan to get Jon away from the wall and back at his rightful place at winterfell. Putting rickon up as bait is risky but they got nothing to lose at this point.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:55 pm to iluvdatiger
This. Osha's reaction was very different from what I expected it to be. She seemed a lot calmer than what we're used to. She and Rickon were both pretty quiet and not wildly thrashing and screaming.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 9:56 pm
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