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re: Game of Thrones S6 E8 "No One" (Bookreader Thread) NO SPOILERS
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:21 am to 19
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:21 am to 19
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Ep 7 storyline for Arya was just silly. There's really no defending it once ep 8 showed her bleeding out in Lady Crane's room and getting patched up.
It was lazy writing fricking confirmed
Very much lazy and there is no defending it. I'm glad Arya is free of the many faced gods but they really mucked it up.
Two things I enjoyed from last night:
The Clegane brothers were interesting. When Strong met with tramp stamped brown robes, he didn't act first. The sparrow strikes first and Strong reacts quite sharply. However, the Mountain would have never stopped; he would have killed every last one of them. Sir Strong only killed the one sparrow who attacked him. I like the new found restraint. Likewise with the old Hound. Had the old Hound caught up to Lemoncloak, he would not have yielded so easy to just hanging him.
The second was Wild Fire secret. What a mind frick it will be if Jamie comes back to find out Tommen is dead with Cersie sitting on the throne talking about burning it all down with Wild fire.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:22 am
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Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:26 am to MLSter
I may be alone but this episode had a BBC feel to it and I mean that in a good way. I love the Brits homour and style of film. So I thought from start to finish it was brilliant.
ETA I have no proof but I suspect that Ayra had some type of protection under her clothes that keep the wounds from going as deep, like a mess or padded armor. Also I suspect that she was out in public baiting the Waif and he whole thing was a ruse from the start.
ETA I have no proof but I suspect that Ayra had some type of protection under her clothes that keep the wounds from going as deep, like a mess or padded armor. Also I suspect that she was out in public baiting the Waif and he whole thing was a ruse from the start.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:26 am to Linkovich
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A girl is no longer no one. She is Arya Stark.
She's still a girl!
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:27 am to Linkovich
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However, the Mountain would have never stopped; he would have killed every last one of them. Sir Strong only killed the one sparrow who attacked him. I like the new found restraint.
You know that isn't the Mountain, right? That is only the reanimated body of Gregor Clegane. For the show's purposes, he is Cersei's rage personified. So, she and Qyburn direct/control his actions. That is why he was so restrained. She waited for there to be justification before she released him to act.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:28 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:30 am to Ace Midnight
Until Zombie Mountain has to guard Tommen.
Sweet Tommen melts his Zombie heart and changes him. After Tommen dies he goes out for vengeance. Basically Man on Fire starring Zombie Mountain.
Sweet Tommen melts his Zombie heart and changes him. After Tommen dies he goes out for vengeance. Basically Man on Fire starring Zombie Mountain.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:30 am to ladytiger118
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I'm guessing they're saving him for the big finale.
Yeah but for somebody that's gonna be pivotal (maybe the most important piece of the puzzle) for the war against the wights, you'd think he'd have a more prominent roll in the show than just one episode every few weeks.
In all honesty, his story is immensely more interesting and important than Arya's. Arya could die and I don't really think anything would change. Bran dies and the humans might lose the war against the NK.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:38 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:30 am to MLSter
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The arya stuff was so stupid. So shes gonna hangout with the person who has a contract on her head, whom she was supposed to carry out, by the group she just betrayed?
Yes it was a dumb plan but it was a plan.
She needed 2 faces to be free and go back home. Lady Crane was owed to the Many Face God and another was owed for her to be out of debt. She couldnt kill Lady Crane but needed her killed first by the Waif before she kills the Waif.
A face was owned and she completed it.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:34 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:31 am to Linkovich
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What a mind frick it will be if Jamie comes back to find out Tommen is dead with Cersie sitting on the throne talking about burning it all down with Wild fire.
i just cant see tommen being killed by cersei
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:35 am to LSU Coyote
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She needed 2 faces to be free and go back home.
oh is that why she just brought one back?
or did the waif, kill crane, bring her face to the wall then come back for arya.
None of it made any sense
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:37 am to MLSter
Dude come on. I didn't mean a literal face but a life.
It doesn't make sense that she put a lot of weight on low probability arrogates of her plan but it was a plan. It was stupid and bad writing but thought was put behind the events. You can mapped them out and understand how you get to the end result regardless of Arya's devine healing ability.
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None of it made any sense
It doesn't make sense that she put a lot of weight on low probability arrogates of her plan but it was a plan. It was stupid and bad writing but thought was put behind the events. You can mapped them out and understand how you get to the end result regardless of Arya's devine healing ability.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:44 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:37 am to LSU Coyote
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She needed 2 faces to be free and go back home. Lady Crane was owed to the Many Face God and another was owed for her to be out of debt. She couldnt kill Lady Crane but needed her killed first by the Waif
you think getting Lady Crane killed was in her plan...?
then why didn't she just kill her herself? what you're saying is that Arya is a coward now? and that Jaqen was please by this?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:39 am to rebeloke
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ETA I have no proof but I suspect that Ayra had some type of protection under her clothes that keep the wounds from going as deep, like a mess or padded armor. Also I suspect that she was out in public baiting the Waif and he whole thing was a ruse from the start.
That's what I assumed as well.
A show with the undead, people brought back from the dead, dragons, witches, smoke coochie babies, ridiculously fast travel across Westeros, etc and the depth of stabbing and Arya's abilities afterward apparently makes it shite.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:39 am to Ace Midnight
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For the show's purposes, he is Cersei's rage personified. So, she and Qyburn direct/control his actions
He is still in there. There was a scene with Jaime where he asks if the Mountain was still in there and he gave the sharp look. I tried googling the scene for reference but I'm running slow this morning. I agree he is Cersei's rage personified but rage isn't something by definition that's controlled when it is turned on. Who wasn't expecting him to start destroying sparrows at that point?
I also have issue with Qyburn and Cersei both having control. At some point her wishes might run counter to his. If so, who ultimately controls him?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:42 am to BluegrassBelle
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That's what I assumed as well.
then why not show it?
and for that to have worked, Arya would have to know, 100%, that the waif would not just slit her throat
how would she know that?
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A show with the undead, people brought back from the dead, dragons, witches, smoke coochie babies, ridiculously fast travel across Westeros, etc and the depth of stabbing and Arya's abilities afterward apparently makes it shite.
nobody has said this
but bad writing is bad writing, regardless of how you and wildcat refuse to admit it
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:43 am to BluegrassBelle
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depth of stabbing and Arya's abilities afterward apparently makes it shite
the show made it a big deal though, if it wasn't part of something else why show all the stabbing? why not just have her fight a little, take a few small wounds and then flee?
the stabbing led to going to cranes, which led to what??? it was stupid on the show
no one cares about littlefingers fast travel because he need to have that talk, all the other things have a reason even if it is just magic. the stabbing and all that was just so stupid and unlike the show
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:43 am to Salmon
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why didn't she just kill her herself?
Same reason Tom Sawyer didn't whitewash the fence. Easier to get others to do your work.
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:45 am to Five0
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Easier to get others to do your work.
By getting stabbed six times? How's that easier?
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:47 am to Five0
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Easier to get others to do your work.
ah ok
so Arya knew that the waif would only stab her in the stomach 8 times and that she would live through this and have the ability to make it to Lady Crane's house, then she also knew that Lady Crane was practically a doctor and could help her, and she also knew that the waif would come and kill Lady Crane for her while she was black out, but she also knew that the waif would not just kill her while she was blacked out
frick me that plan is bullet proof
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:47 am to Salmon
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then why not show it? and for that to have worked, Arya would have to know, 100%, that the waif would not just slit her throat how would she know that?
I mean why does anyone wear body armor/protection? Does it cover every single available area? And it's not like she had every resource at hand on the run. It's obviously a risk but it is what it is.
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but bad writing is bad writing, regardless of how you and wildcat refuse to admit it
I didn't see it as bad writing at all. It made sense, her fight in the dark made sense (which would get her an inherent advantage since she was wounded), and it's been pretty clear that she gained some extraordinary abilities training as No One. I don't know what exactly they were supposed to write in a shortened amount of time to convey that while keeping at pace with the other storylines in Westeros.
Sorry that you don't like that everyone doesn't agree with you.
ETA: Of course the plan isn't "perfect". She's essentially stranded in Bravos without the House. She went to the one person she actually connected with while there.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:50 am
Posted on 6/13/16 at 9:48 am to Salmon
I was pretty disappointed in last night to be honest (and i was so excited after the intro showed no sam / gilly or Reek).
I don't think ripping heads off is better than a quality fight scene personally and seems like the easy way out as compared with the Mountain vs. OM trial by combat where they had an amazing fight scene before the whole head crushing thing.
Overall we got the hound dominating with an axe which was pretty cool, i thought the mountain fight scene was lame and then we don't even get to see a real arya vs. waif fight - could have been one of the best episodes in terms of fights and we got screwed on it.
Also thought the dialogue was pretty weak again after a solid showing the week before.
As others have said Arya in last weeks episode made no sense the way she was acting like an idiot with no idea that someone may be following her trying to kill her after abandoning her assassination job. Then this week she tricks the waif in to following her in to the dark room... complete 180 in terms of her planning abilities.
But, the storyline is progressing well, i just though the delivery this week was not up to par.
I don't think ripping heads off is better than a quality fight scene personally and seems like the easy way out as compared with the Mountain vs. OM trial by combat where they had an amazing fight scene before the whole head crushing thing.
Overall we got the hound dominating with an axe which was pretty cool, i thought the mountain fight scene was lame and then we don't even get to see a real arya vs. waif fight - could have been one of the best episodes in terms of fights and we got screwed on it.
Also thought the dialogue was pretty weak again after a solid showing the week before.
As others have said Arya in last weeks episode made no sense the way she was acting like an idiot with no idea that someone may be following her trying to kill her after abandoning her assassination job. Then this week she tricks the waif in to following her in to the dark room... complete 180 in terms of her planning abilities.
But, the storyline is progressing well, i just though the delivery this week was not up to par.
This post was edited on 6/13/16 at 9:54 am
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