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re: Game of Thrones S5:E9:"The Dance of Dragons", BOOK READERS
Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:56 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:56 pm to wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/8/15 at 4:57 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Exactly 
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:01 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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WTH is with everyone's over reaction to Stannis' sacrifice of Shereen? OML's reaction borders on the comical.
Craster is beyond a doubt 10X worse than Stannis. Craster rapes his daughters and sets his son's out to be turned into inhuman creatures by others.
Stannis, out of desperation, sacrificed his daughter to his god because he thought that is what his god wanted.
Think back to the Old Testament, any parallels? Think to today's middle east. Any parallels? Our history is rife with parallel stories to exactly what Stannis did. Stannis loved Shereen but made the difficult decision he thought required to potentially save all of humanity.
Here's the difference between Craster and Stannis. Craster doesn't know what he is doing is wrong. He just thinks he's living like a king, fricking multiple women, and then just making an occasional lamb sacrifice to keep the ice zombies off his back. The guy is nuts and deplorable, but pretty ignorant on how horrible he really is.
Stannis on the other hand knows right from wrong. He knows he is doing very evil things in order for himself to become king. He murders his own brother, he lights his brother-in-law on fire, and has brutally murdered his girl that he adores and loves. Stannis tries to convince himself it is his duty, but his duty is not to directly battle the Boltons for Winterfell. He could have retreated to Castle Black as Davos begged him to do. His lust for power in combination with his pride and resilience led to this, and I find that worse than someone who is ignorant on what they are actually doing. It's why I find Littlefinger worse than Ramsay and Joffrey. The former 2 are just nuts, while LF is perfectly sane and gets a kick out completely defying his moral compass.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:04 pm to OMLandshark
Pretty sure craster knows right from wrong, he just doesn't give a shite
I mean, your suggesting that he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand right from wrong? Or that he is just a sociopath? The latter doesn't excuse his actions
I mean, your suggesting that he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand right from wrong? Or that he is just a sociopath? The latter doesn't excuse his actions
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:06 pm to wildtigercat93
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Pretty sure craster knows right from wrong, he just doesn't give a shite
I mean, your suggesting that he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand right from wrong? Or that he is just a sociopath? The latter doesn't excuse his actions
I'm saying he's quite literally insane and just happens to be a sociopath.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:07 pm to OMLandshark
That doesn't mean his actions are excusable or less worse than Stannis's
The only difference is emotional connection you have to Shireen unlike the craster wives and sons
The only difference is emotional connection you have to Shireen unlike the craster wives and sons
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:11 pm to wildtigercat93
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That doesn't mean his actions are excusable or less worse than Stannis's
The only difference is emotional connection you have to Shireen unlike the craster wives and sons
My point is Stannis very clearly has a moral compass. Craster doesn't at all. I think if you defy your moral compass to such an extent as Stannis has done, then it makes the crime worse. Littlefinger at least has no attachments to anyone. Stannis does though.
I'm really debating more philosophy at this point than character attachments. It will just be a "agree to disagree".
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:17 pm to OMLandshark
I really don't see the point you're trying to find but i also agree to disagree
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:23 pm to wildtigercat93
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:31 pm to Mrtommorrow1987
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vhagar was the beast during the dance of dragons had Rhaenaerys not had Daemon Aegon 2 would have wrecked shite and kept the iron throne. But since Daemon was such a bad arse we now had pretty much extinct dragons for 70 years.
I spent an hour+ heading up on all of this after this post.
There are so many great stories in this universe.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:34 pm to kingbob
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The craziest part is that it looked like Hizdhar was murdered. That throws him being the Harpy completely out the window and begs the question of who will be ruling Mereen with Dany gone. In the books, Daario is hostage, but in the show, he's completely free. Also, Dany and Hizdhar aren't married yet in the show (unless they skipped that). Also, there's no Yunkai army at the gates, Yunkai navy blocking the ports, and no foreign forces sweeping in for the kill at present.
I think they could of stretched this season out, they dropped a lot of stuff and condensed it.
Next episode we have to have::
Arya kill Trant
Sansa do something (possibly become stoneheart but doubtful)
Stannis seige Winterfell
Jon get stabbed.
Cersei do the walk of shame
and
I'm thinking the return of Varys.
The thing is, Varys returned just to upset the newly stable regime, and the regime hasn't been shown to be stable yet.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:37 pm to Napoleon
We haven't had enough Kevan this season to see him get killed by Varys in the finale. That won't occur until S6.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:37 pm to Korin
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The craziest part is that it looked like Hizdhar was murdered.
I'm not so sure.
I watched that scene a few times and he gave a look before he was murdered.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:38 pm to Bamatab
Tyrion stays in Essos to be the leader that unites the "free" cities and makes Essos into the New Westeros.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:40 pm to Methuselah
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Rob Stark - Romantic Love
Book Robb didn't give two shits about romantic love. He married her due to honour (trying to live up to dad's example)
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:40 pm to YumYum Sauce
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Jon wargs into someone/something else until his body is healed/saved?
5. Jon wargs into Wun Wun and takes out all the WW with his Valyrian bat.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:43 pm to Napoleon
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I spent an hour+ heading up on all of this after this post.
There are so many great stories in this universe.
It's actually such a big story and war a whole series of shows could be made to follow it after game of thrones is done.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:44 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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I can't wait for Cokes to show up
JESUS TAPDANCICNG frickING CHRIST I couldn't care less if you frickers read a thousand books. The thread says No readers, so if you read the fricking books stay the frick out.
I will bet that would be verbatim at least part of his post.
This post was edited on 6/8/15 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:48 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 6/8/15 at 5:50 pm to blueboy
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I can only assume that the show and gurm were concerned that Stannis was becoming too popular, so they had to have him do something that would destroy his character. Show watchers aren't aware that he's basically a fraud, so they had to defame him in some way. It was the right mindset, but the absolute wrong implementation.
Seriously, if I ever encounter D or D or GURM in my lifetime, I will knock them the frick out. What a base, cheap, hackish, miserable and dirty way to stir controversy. People bereft of real creativity do things like this.
Stannis actions parallel so many actions of actual people in the Middle East its not a stretch by any means. The visceral reactions to this development are amusing and a little shocking.
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