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re: Game Of Thrones S5:E10 "Mother's Mercy" BOOK READER THREAD
Posted on 6/16/15 at 6:43 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 6/16/15 at 6:43 pm to Ace Midnight
Pretty good breakdown of the Meera theory here:
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Meera Reed is Jon's twin sister, and the third head of the Dragon. Lets break down the pros and cons.
Pros: Meera was born in the same year as Robb and Jon, and we know nothing whatsoever about her mother. We've assumed up to this point that her mother is Howland's wife, Jyana, but we know nothing about this character except her name and that she exists (because Jojen has to come from somewhere, and I don't buy the theory that he's Howland in disguise).
Meera's physical description is very similar to Lyanna's and Arya's. She's slim and flat-chested, attractive without being traditionally beautiful. She's got the martial prowess that Lyanna had, and her cheerful but fiery personality is reminiscent of what we know about Lyanna.
The odds of Lyanna dying in childbirth seem more likely if she had twins.
Howland certainly owes Lyanna a debt, which we know thanks to the story of the Knight of the Laughing Tree. Him taking a second child and hiding it at Greywater Watch could certainly have happened in the time between the TOJ and Ned returning to Winterfell (Ned returning with TWO bastards would have been a real stretch, and having the children in the same place would have put them in much worse danger if their true parentage was discovered.). Is there a more perfect place to hide someone who doesn't want to be found than Greywater Watch? The northern houses that could propose marriage alliances with the Starks seemed to be at least interested (the Karstarks wanting to marry Alys to Robb), but despite Howland having a daughter of the exact same age, he shows zero interest in such an arrangement (Close friends/allies with children of the same age generally seem very interested in marrying their kids off to each other...but not here...). It gives the dragon a third head in a very "neat" way, which seems much more up Martin's alley than making Tyrion a bastard or having Bran warg into the third dragon.
Cons: The biggest hole in this theory, no doubt, is that Meera has green eyes. No Starks have green eyes (Lyanna and Jon both have gray eyes), and no recent Targaryens have had green eyes either (1/2 of Shiera Seastar doesn't count). However, wouldn't giving Meera gray (or violet) eyes give this away way too soon? Howland Reed knows some magic thanks to his time on the Isle of Faces, and crannogmen have been described as being able to "blend in" to the neck. Changing her eye color to throw the readers off the scent isn't something I'd put past Martin, if he really wanted this to be a surprise.
She doesn't show up in any of the prophecies. There's no foreshadowing or prophecy that mentions twins (AFAIK). Bloodraven or the COTF might sense her importance (she's in their cave, after all), but if she seems significant to them, they aren't showing it. She's short (which I don't remember being particular of Lyanna), but could this be a byproduct of growing up in the (presumably cramped) Neck? If she's stuck in that cave north of the wall when winter hits, how is she going to become relevant to the story anytime soon? No easy answer here.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:03 pm to ohiovol
How WTC93 can post in this thread and the Hodor thread and not get shite on is hilarious to me 
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:04 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Pretty much fair game when it comes to Jon snow, right?
I wasn't the first guy to go in there. All the threads have become free for alls
Don't dagger me in the dark brother
I wasn't the first guy to go in there. All the threads have become free for alls
Don't dagger me in the dark brother
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:13 pm to wildtigercat93
Dagger you? I'm about to join you 
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:13 pm to saintsfan92612
That's my favorite line of the entire series 
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:14 pm to Byron Bojangles III
For the maesters
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:20 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
Did Howland come home with a bastard too? Or are they saying his wife faked a birth? Also, she's short like Howland while I thought the Starks are tall.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:32 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I have a question for book readers. How much time has gone by in the story since Jon Snow was killed? What happened to his body? Is any of this explained?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:35 pm to abellsujr
It was a cliff hanger just like in the show
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:38 pm to abellsujr
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I have a question for book readers. How much time has gone by in the story since Jon Snow was killed? What happened to his body? Is any of this explained?
Happens at the end of book 5. None of it is explained. The chapter ends with his memories of Arya and stuff. We're as in the dark as everyone else as what's going on with him.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:41 pm to BleedPurpleGold
quote:OK. SO we pretty much agree that Snow will be back, it's just a matter of when. After Jon dies in the book, what then is the focus of the story? Is his story just pushed aside? Do they focus on other story lines? How much time has gone by? How long has he been dead?
Happens at the end of book 5. None of it is explained. The chapter ends with his memories of Arya and stuff. We're as in the dark as everyone else as what's going on with him.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:43 pm to abellsujr
The book goes by POVs. Each chapter is written by a character that could be anywhere in the world.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:46 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
You can guess where Jon gets it.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 9:59 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
So...
Jon gets stabbed...
Ser Barristan does a chapter from Mereen...
Dany does a chapter from the Dothraki sea just north of Mereen...
Then Kevan Lannister does the epilogue from the Red Keep in Kings Landing...
None of them have any idea what's been going on at the Wall
Jon gets stabbed...
Ser Barristan does a chapter from Mereen...
Dany does a chapter from the Dothraki sea just north of Mereen...
Then Kevan Lannister does the epilogue from the Red Keep in Kings Landing...
None of them have any idea what's been going on at the Wall
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 10:01 pm
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