re: Game of Thrones S4:E8:"The Mountain and the Viper", HODORS ONLY no book readers

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that was said by Cersi to Kat....Ned wasn't around, and I'm not even sure the Raven showed up yet with Kat's sister's letter saying that John Aryn was murdered. That was only Cersi talking about something that no one discussed anymore, Kat never knew she had even given birth.(queen giving birth to first born son would be kind of a big deal)..right?

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I always figured that Ned and Kat had the type of relationship that if you told one of them then the other will know. Cersi telling kat something is the same as telling Ned. And I figure the details of cersi's pregnancy and birth of her first son is known through out the realm. Hell, look at how much coverage there has been about the British monarchy's pregnancy in this country. Kat only engaged in that conversation because it was cathartic to Cersi

"Shared blood"

so Ned, Benjun, Ned's dead Older Brother or his dead sister

Say ned he ain't the father, then Benjun or Dead Bro/sis.

Benjun can't have kids, it would break his sworn oath of the black...might lead to his execution.

Sister, we don't know shite about her. Just that the Mad King killed her and then Robert got pissed and led an army to kill him and his kin.

Brother, we don't know much about him, seem to remember Jaime talking about the Mad King killing him. He was supposed to Marry Kat but got killed before they were married I believe.

1. would Ned say that Jon is his to keep Benjun from being executed? Would he Tell Kat so that she wasn't hurt, and she would treat Jon better?

2. If Jon is his sister's kid then who/how did he get him? Why wouldn't Ned tell Kat that Jon is his nephew and taking care of him so that she wouldn't be hurt?

3. If Jon is his Big Brother's, then how/who gave Jon to him? Why wouldn't he tell Kat?

The Kat factor: Did Ned think that Kat is a loose lipped wench, I don't think so, he would have told her unless it would hurt her. With that, only Ned's Older Brother being the Father makes sense. She was supposed to marry him, and come to fin out he's bedding some chick and knocking her up? When Ned was done with the war, someone gave him Jon telling him the story of Ned's Brother and some girl yet named who most likely died. So Ned, brings back Jon, and to spare Kat the hurt that her first love (Ned's Brother) cheated on her....and also...that Child would be heir to Winterfell, not Ned and Kat's kids...so that's why he hid the info.

So while writing this, it is now apparent that Jon Snow is Lord of Winterfell, son of Ned's Older Brother.

I think your theory is wrong, but

T/F:

Jon Snow is the most important character in the series.





True

Dp

I believe that his true parents will end up being very important since there is a whole mystery of his origins and I don't think Ned fathered him. Jon is also a fighter and charismatic leader. I think he'll become famous in Westeros while at the wall/castle black.

I also think it would be Martin-esque to have a bastard rise to become king instead of a Stannis type claim to the throne. (Obviously I'm talking end game here. Stannis might sit on the throne for a little bit.)

The why is the big question. I just assume that if Ned isn't his father then there had to be some very good reason why he would lie and risk Cat resenting him for the rest of his life.

Ok- good I'm on the right wave then. I haven't delved into reading all the theories just skimmed and saw that common theme (Ned not being the father) and thought maybe I'd missed something important somewhere along the way.

When I first started the show it had been on two seasons so I flew thru the first two to catch up before season 3 started. I really wish I'd done what I do now which is watch originally with closed captioning, then rewatch again before the next episode. There's so much to grasp especially at first.

Maybe because the king wouldn't be super happy if he found out who Jon's parents are?

I'm not going there

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To be fair, none of it can be proven or disproven at this time

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Yeah, but I may have potentially just guessed that Vader is Luke's father.