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re: Game of Thrones S4:E8:"The Mountain and the Viper", HODORS ONLY no book readers
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:22 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:22 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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Watchers on the Wall.
I assume we will finally get to see some shite hit the fan at Castle Black. So we have Tormund/Ygritte and the Thenns coming from the south (or whatever direction), and Mance and the wildling army from the north, and ~100 Crowd at CB right?
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Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:30 pm to CocomoLSU
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I'm not sure where you're getting your baseless fricking bull shite accusations from.
I'm not sure how you think you have any wiggle room to debate this. You have to be reading the Reader's thread to post there. You can't both express your desire to avoid spoilers and participate in a thread where spoilers are going to be discussed.
As someone who hasn't read the books by choice most spoilers aren't obvious to me as spoilers unless someone starts going crazy in response anyway. What drives me nuts around here is the witch hunt more than the occasional jerk out to yank someone's chain. It really destroys the conversation by driving out the posters who remember enough details from earlier episodes to have a worthwhile discussion. What this thread generally devolves into is just a waste because the only people free to participate are people who post material too stupid or ignorant to be worth reading.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:31 pm to Eric Nies Grind Time
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He got gutted + poisoned.
he took a couple blows, that's all, people have lived through much worse.
all this poison talk kinda angers me as it wasn't obviously stated.
sure there was an indirect,offhand mention of poison once or twice, and maybe someone saw someone with a "cloth, rubbing the blade"....but there is no direct reference that his blade was poisoned at all AND if memory serves me, Mountain chopped the dudes spear in pieces and someone threw him a new one.
Anyway, the way people are chiming in...."oh yeah, he dead, poison, yep no doubt, dead".."You know why they call him the "VIPER""....how the frick do you know for sure with such confidence other than you either are a reader or you read book threads/outside info from GOT sites?
That's what bugs me. It seems people take the slightest mention of something in an episode and all of a sudden those people have 100% explanation because the show gave them the obscure "dot" that they can connect.
Now I make theories...but my stuff is from S1, and original. Whenever someone said "poison" fricking 10 people chime in...yeah..like it was hands down settle...didn't have to think about it for a second. Which I can only infer now that yes, being that 10 people instantly scream poison....then at least one of them had to have at least read it some where.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:36 pm to Iona Fan Man
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all this poison talk kinda angers me as it wasn't obviously stated.
I have to back you up here.
GOT makes sure you know the relevant info for the events happening in a particular episode, whether it be in the recaps in the beginning or stating it in show.
Poison was not obviously stated. It doesn't make me angry that it was mentioned but let's not pretend that it was obvious.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:38 pm to molsusports
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You have to be reading the Reader's thread to post there. You can't both express your desire to avoid spoilers and participate in a thread where spoilers are going to be discussed.
That's just not true. I actually saw the post I responded to sort of by accident...I was looking for something that I had posted (a picture I think), and searched my username on here and one of the first things that popped up was the post that I responded to. I don't "read the reader thread," I had just seen that particular post. And after I posted in it to that particular person, I only read their response to me, and then I bounced out of the thread, not only because it wasn't where I belonged (having not read the books), but also to avoid myself from being spoiled. It was one particular situation that I addressed and then left, while avoiding the rest of the thread entirely.
The last thing I would do is read along with the reader thread and see things but still post in the Hodor threads...that would be bullshite and compltely hypocritical of me, you're right. But I don't do that, nor do I ever plan on it.
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What drives me nuts around here is the witch hunt more than the occasional jerk out to yank someone's chain. It really destroys the conversation by driving out the posters who remember enough details from earlier episodes to have a worthwhile discussion.
I don't disagree with you on that. At all really. That's why I said that of course people who haven't read the books are smart enough to figure out things here and there...that's half the fricking fun of watching the show IMO. But when you have readers dropping their dicks in here trying to look smart, or you have nonreaders who read other sites and spoil themselves, but then come in here to "guess" correct at everything, that sucks too IMO.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:39 pm to molsusports
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driving out the posters who remember enough details from earlier episodes to have a worthwhile discussion.
oh you mean like....when people knew who kidnapped that Greyjoy kid?
"If you saw in the background, there was a symbol on the wall. That symbol is on the coat of arms of the Bolton family. Being that the the leader whispered something into his bastard son's ear 7 episodes ago....IT's obvious that Ramsey kidnapped Greyjoy....If you just pay attention to the TV you would have picked that up"
that kind of bullshite?
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:39 pm to BOSCEAUX
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Viper vs. Mountain got spoiled for me on the OT.
Yea, that was the most random fricking place for a spoiler. Couldn't believe there was one in that thread.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:40 pm to Iona Fan Man
Dude was stabbed so deep that the spear stood upright in his body, he's probably dead if there is poison or not. 
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:41 pm to Murray
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Poison was not obviously stated
I agree. The thought of poison hadn't even crossed my mind until I read it here. I thought the kid was sharpening the Viper's spear until someone here mentioned that he was applying poison.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:46 pm to Murray
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Kashonly
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Murray
I agree with all of what ya'll just said, and that kinda goes with what I'm saying. Nothing was specifically referenced that would make people KNOW that Mountain was poisoned, but multiple people here are acting as if that's fact. And in actuality, it's not. That's a red flag.
shite, in the episode, didn't Oberyn even say something like poison is a coward's weapon (womans?) or something like that?
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I thought the kid was sharpening the Viper's spear until someone here mentioned that he was applying poison.
I thought he was cleaning them...like most squires do (which is basically what I assumed he was...the equivalent of a squire [since Oberyn isn't an actual knight]).
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:47 pm to Murray
People always want things obviously stated - to the point where they can't appreciate something more subtle but made equally obvious by foreshadowing and details within scenes. Those people should just resolve themselves to watching Spartacus instead of other options where the writers and directors try to be more subtle than a sledgehammer.
FWIW even if he was called the Viper and even if they made several references to his knowledge of and expertise with poisons I don't think there's a guarantee that he did use poison in the GOT series. However, there's enough foreshadowing based on just what is on the small screen for people to fairly point out this seems likely.
FWIW even if he was called the Viper and even if they made several references to his knowledge of and expertise with poisons I don't think there's a guarantee that he did use poison in the GOT series. However, there's enough foreshadowing based on just what is on the small screen for people to fairly point out this seems likely.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:51 pm to molsusports
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FWIW even if he was called the Viper and even if they made several references to his knowledge of and expertise with poisons I don't think there's a guarantee that he did use poison in the GOT series. However, there's enough foreshadowing based on just what is on the small screen for people to fairly point out this seems likely.
Sure, there is eveidence that it is possible. Hell, even you say it "seems likely." Yet people are in here discussing it as straight up fact.
And that wouldn't happen if people were just guessing or theorizing.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 1:59 pm to CocomoLSU
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Sure, there is eveidence that it is possible. Hell, even you say it "seems likely." Yet people are in here discussing it as straight up fact.
every house is some type of animal wolf,lion,etc....rob stark didn't "smell" what was coming, even though, you know, "they called him the wolf"
Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:00 pm to DanTiger
Holy shite there are some whiny motherfrickers in this thread
Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:01 pm to molsusports
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Those people should just resolve themselves to watching Spartacus instead of other options where the writers and directors try to be more subtle than a sledgehammer
Come on man. That's not nice.
Plus, if we don't watch your shows, who are you going to be condescending to?
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he was called the Viper and even if they made several references to his knowledge of and expertise with poisons
I do remember both of these things and while I'm not crafty enough to take that knowledge and link it to a poison tipped spear, I can't say its not impossible for some to do just that.
That being said, if someone theorized that along with multiple other theories and only the poisoned spear turned out to be true, I'd find it a little more believable that it was purely conjecture opposed to just throwing out one "theory" and nailing it.
It's whatever though. I hope Mountain is dead so the poison would be a good thing in my book.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:02 pm to CocomoLSU
this is a website populated by people full of certainty with respect to all kinds of bullshite. A careful show viewer who believes that clues within episodes are intentional foreshadowing should feel free to participate in the discussion around here with at least as much freedom as the idiocy posted as fact on the sports, OT entertainment, or political portions of this website.
I, for example, think there is no reasonable doubt about the ending of the Sopranos. My opinions are based on listening to the different arguments and carefully watching episodes and clips from the episodes. The attitude that people can't watch carefully, discuss, debate, and form firm opinions about show content based on their viewing shuts down any interesting or worthwhile discussion that might be had in this type of thread.
I, for example, think there is no reasonable doubt about the ending of the Sopranos. My opinions are based on listening to the different arguments and carefully watching episodes and clips from the episodes. The attitude that people can't watch carefully, discuss, debate, and form firm opinions about show content based on their viewing shuts down any interesting or worthwhile discussion that might be had in this type of thread.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:04 pm to Iona Fan Man
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he took a couple blows, that's all, people have lived through much worse.
This is going from memory, but he didn't just stab the spear in his abdomen, he moved it around laterally quite a bit. Definitely the type of thing you'd either bleed out from, or in that era of medicine get an infection and die from. If the Mountain surviving is important to the story it wouldn't be shocking if he lived, but it would be a little unrealistic based on what we saw.
This post was edited on 6/5/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:09 pm to TigerinATL
If the series is intended to be realistic I'd agree with you. He wasn't just hamstrung but he was actually pinned to the earth by a broad head spear. It looked like it should have penetrated his liver (or perhaps descending aorta) and he should have bled out in rapid order.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:15 pm to Iona Fan Man
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oh you mean like....when people knew who kidnapped that Greyjoy kid?
I read the HBO page for the show and they have a rundown of all the houses and their sigil(after they have been introduced on the show) so yes I did recognize the sigil Ramsey was standing by in that scene.
Posted on 6/5/14 at 2:16 pm to molsusports
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this is a website populated by people full of certainty with respect to all kinds of bullshite. A careful show viewer who believes that clues within episodes are intentional foreshadowing should feel free to participate in the discussion around here with at least as much freedom as the idiocy posted as fact on the sports, OT entertainment, or political portions of this website.
Of course.
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The attitude that people can't watch carefully, discuss, debate, and form firm opinions about show content based on their viewing shuts down any interesting or worthwhile discussion that might be had in this type of thread.
Nobody is saying they can't do just that. But people taking things as fact is not the same as people assuming theories or things like that.
It's whatever really anyway, but you're arguing something that isn't what I'm arguing at this point...I agree that people can pay attention and put things together (I've had to rewatch scenes before because I missed something...that's happened several times) and make guesses. But that's not the same thing as stating facts on things that aren't facts yet. It was the same thing with Joffrey's death...saying that he was poisoned from Sansa's necklace isn't something that was derived by "paying attention well." That's something that you either knew because you read it in the books, or heard it from another source (other sites, readers, etc.). Some of that went way past just speculation.
Like Murray though, I hope the Mountain is dead anyway because that might mean that Tyrion gets out of this bullshite easily, and I'm all for that.
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