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re: Game of Thrones S4:E8:"The Mountain and the Viper", HODORS ONLY no book readers
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:46 pm to Toby Flenderson
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:46 pm to Toby Flenderson
But who did Ned look like?
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Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:48 pm to rondo
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How would Ned have been given the baby...and why?
ouch, I just went back to that scene....robert says "must have been a rare wench for Lord Stark to forget his honor, you never even told me what she looked like"
so I must have remembered incorrectly when Ned said to him "she was one of yours"....he was talking about "bessie" and her "great big tits"...I thought he was talking about wiona
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:51 pm to Iona Fan Man
If one of the theories is correct, that was a super awkward moment for Ned.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:51 pm to Toby Flenderson
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Not a chance. Kat hated Jon so much because he looked more like Ned than any of her children
that was likely just her mind playing tricks on her....seeing as bitches be cray.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:52 pm to Iona Fan Man
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robert says "must have been a rare wench for Lord Stark to forget his honor, you never even told me what she looked like"
Yeah - Ned's look made it clear to me that no way in hell JS was his actual child - but the question remains - "Whose kid was it?"
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:54 pm to Toby Flenderson
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because he looked more like Ned than any of her children
Just his fingers.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:57 pm to Epic Cajun
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that was a super awkward moment for Ned.
I'm just stuck on Cersi saying black haired bird. I was rewatching it with the a girl who hadn't seen it before...and when I heard her say that I had a "WTF" moment. I checked ages of Joff and Jon, and saw 1 year apart I was like "no way".....and have tried to build a case around it.
But I'm reaching in why Ned would take a kid that's not his and hide the fact that it's not his.
But, with that writer, could just be a red herring, and Ned did tag a wench and Jon is his kid and nothing ever comes of it.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 1:57 pm to Toby Flenderson
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Not a chance. Kat hated Jon so much because he looked more like Ned than any of her children
I think he's implying that the honorable Ned Stark knocked up his best friend's girl. There are many reasons that doesn't fit, the only thing in favor of this theory is the secrecy over Jon Snow's mother. Why keep it a secret if it was just some bar maid or some random lady that doesn't affect the story? Why would Ned take the child? Leaving a baby with the mother would seem like the proper course of action, unless you're worried that your BFF might notice his son looked an awful lot like his best friend when he grew up.
I don't think it's an implausible theory, but I do think it is crazy and unlikely.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:03 pm to Iona Fan Man
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I'm just stuck on Cersi saying black haired bird. I was rewatching it with the a girl who hadn't seen it before...and when I heard her say that I had a "WTF" moment. I checked ages of Joff and Jon, and saw 1 year apart I was like "no way".....and have tried to build a case around it.
I've actually only heard this theory this season - and it does have legs - I just subscribe to the other theory - for a variety of reasons I won't rehash -as I've already had to edit too much today.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:13 pm to Ace Midnight
Is Gendry older than Snow? Because if so, then mine makes no sense anymore I'd imagine....because wouldn't black haired bird have been born before Gendry.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:24 pm to Iona Fan Man
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Is Gendry older than Snow? Because if so, then mine makes no sense anymore I'd imagine....because wouldn't black haired bird have been born before Gendry.
I don't think any of the ages are all that clear in the show - readers have explained to me that there is a significant shift, overall (in that the characters on the show are 3 to 4 years, generally, older than their counterparts in the books - although that gap is closing somewhat - at least based on the aging of the child actors.)
But as far as telling whether or not Snow or Gendry are older -
Having said that, Gendry is a better candidate to be the "black-haired bird" than Snow - in my mind - for a whole host of reasons, but I don't think he is, either.
This post was edited on 6/4/14 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:35 pm to Ace Midnight
That could work. Robert never acknowledged him...because he didn't know about him. And gentry did have some unnamed Lord financing him.
Lannisters faked the death...but couldn't kill him.
Lannisters faked the death...but couldn't kill him.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:37 pm to Iona Fan Man
I think we can all agree that he will end up nit being the son of Ned and a whore.
Or, knowing GRRM's hatred for traditional heroes, maybe everyone is supposed to wonder. Then, at the end, it's revealed that nope, he's just the son of a whore, but he still managed to become king. Weiner wiener!
Or, knowing GRRM's hatred for traditional heroes, maybe everyone is supposed to wonder. Then, at the end, it's revealed that nope, he's just the son of a whore, but he still managed to become king. Weiner wiener!
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:42 pm to Iona Fan Man
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Lannisters faked the death...but couldn't kill him.
That's where I lose the theory - why on Earth would the Lannisters fake the death of an actual legitimate Baratheon heir, out of Cersei? Isn't that exactly what they wanted? Certainly it wasn't Tywin's plan to have Cersei and Jaime have 2 children/nephews and a daughter/niece together?
He didn't want 3 double grandchildren, who were also his great-nephews and great-niece, did he?
So, if the "black-haired bird" theory is correct and the child somehow lived (and whomever that turns out to be) it had to be someone else doing the hiding - IMHO - not the Lannisters - for reasons as yet revealed (heck, maybe it was done by the Lord of Light's followers so he would be available for Milesandre.)
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:43 pm to TigerinATL
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Why keep it a secret if it was just some bar maid or some random lady that doesn't affect the story?
I agree, it doesn't make sense.
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Why would Ned take the child?
Maybe he cared about the mother of the child?
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Leaving a baby with the mother would seem like the proper course of action
Unless she's dead
I agree with you though, I don't see how the Cersei theory pans out.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 2:47 pm to Iona Fan Man
Haven't read this in awhile just want to address some questions to me,
Because they have proof the Lanisters were behind it. What do you mean why? I guarantee we will see some type of lash back now that the mountain confessed.
No he did not, Do you guys even pay attention? He denied it LINK Here is the link to prove it. The Viper did not believe him though.
Just because we know something to be true does not mean everyone in Westeros does. And because everyone is talking about Gendry now and some wonder what claim he has to the throne. I leave you with this quote.
"You've heard the awful rumors about my brother and sister?...I suppose people who do believe that filth consider Robert's bastards to be better claimants to the throne than Cersei's children."
quote:-my original statement
"The Martells will be more pissed now that they know, for a fact, a Lanister bannermen murdered Elia Martell and her offspring."
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why?
Because they have proof the Lanisters were behind it. What do you mean why? I guarantee we will see some type of lash back now that the mountain confessed.
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Tywin already told him that the Mountain killed his sister. He was trying to get the Mountain to admit that Tywin ordered it.
But he failed, and it was awesomely gross.
No he did not, Do you guys even pay attention? He denied it LINK Here is the link to prove it. The Viper did not believe him though.
Just because we know something to be true does not mean everyone in Westeros does. And because everyone is talking about Gendry now and some wonder what claim he has to the throne. I leave you with this quote.
"You've heard the awful rumors about my brother and sister?...I suppose people who do believe that filth consider Robert's bastards to be better claimants to the throne than Cersei's children."
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:09 pm to Mystery
I'm pretty sure Tywin said that The Mountain was not given orders to do it, but that he can't always control "wild beasts" or something to that effect.
I can't watch the clip right now.
I can't watch the clip right now.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:15 pm to Epic Cajun
Yeah, Tywin told him something like that.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:41 pm to UL-SabanRival
As per the Dany dragon comment over KL....she can't waarg. Hell she can't even control them when she was on that rock.
Posted on 6/4/14 at 3:48 pm to Antiheroaz
Yeah, but that shadow from the previews is gonna happen sometime for some reason. Although, the way tv is, it will probably be the last shite of the last episode, just to get us all anxious (and buy the books).
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