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re: Game of Thrones S4:E4:"Oathkeeper", HODORS ONLY (no book readers)
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:35 am to TigerinATL
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Yeah, that's the name I couldn't come up with. And I guess the Wildling Army was heading south to escape the WW themselves?
They're heading south to attack Castle Black. I'm not sure if they are running from the WWs or not, but Castle Black is definitely their immediate goal.
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:38 am to CocomoLSU
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They're heading south to attack Castle Black
Some of them are, but aren't some of them already south of the wall taking out villages? Including Ygrette.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:38 am to CocomoLSU
Yeah everyone seems to think Tywin is trying to convict Tyrion, i think it's the other way around. Even if found guilty Tywin would have him exiled not executed. Goddamnit i love Tywin.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:57 am to CocomoLSU
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what were the general opinions of this episode?
I thought it was a great episode, save for Dany's incredibly easy sack of Meereen. I agree with you that her story right now is dull and I want her to go through some adversity real soon.
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felt like not much happened really (in terms of not many storylines being featured).
What? They can't feature every single storyline in an episode. There are just too many. If they did, you would bitch about the stories not getting enough screen time and how "not much really happened." I don't follow you on the latter part. What do you want out of episodes? Main characters dieing, battles being forged every week? That would honestly be retarded and detrimental to the whole show.
This episode touched on a lot of points and I thought it progressed things nicely with each story shown.
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Interested to see Locke and Jon Snow throw down.
Yeah, this will be awesome.
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- I don't remember the Crows at C'sK capturing Ghost...when did that happen?
Wasn't Jon stationed there when the Crows revolted? In his escape, he must not have been able to get Ghost out of there.
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The White Walkers...what the frick, man? When this show started, that was the whole deal: that winter was coming and the WWs were gonna go HAM. And not only has that not happened, but we've only seen them a few times since then.
Again, I think you need some patience. The WWs are going to be a huge part of the story which needs to be built up and then when they start making moves, you will be able to fap to them going HAM.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:04 am to Byron Bojangles III
I agree with yall. Tywin doesn't want to convict Tyrion. Tywin is smart enough that he knows he didn't poison Joffrey.
Eta: I at least hope Tyrion gets out of it. He's one of my favorite characters.
But, he either gets found innocent and stays in KL or gets executed. I don't think he will be exiled. And I agree about him not escaping, either. That would be weird if he was on the run. Where would he go? Casterly Rock?
Eta: I at least hope Tyrion gets out of it. He's one of my favorite characters.
But, he either gets found innocent and stays in KL or gets executed. I don't think he will be exiled. And I agree about him not escaping, either. That would be weird if he was on the run. Where would he go? Casterly Rock?
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:15 am to Byron Bojangles III
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Yeah everyone seems to think Tywin is trying to convict Tyrion, i think it's the other way around.
I did think putting prince Oberyn on the panel seemed to suggest this. Someone that Cersei couldn't corrupt and might find Tyrion innocent just because he thinks Tywin/Cersei want him hanged.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:25 am to TigerinATL
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I did think putting prince Oberyn on the panel seemed to suggest this. Someone that Cersei couldn't corrupt and might find Tyrion innocent just because he thinks Tywin/Cersei want him hanged.
he put on the panel and in exchange Oberyn gets revenge on the Mountain probably in exchange for voting how Tywin tells him to. I'm still shocked that Tyrion thinks he dad wants him dead.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:53 am to Byron Bojangles III
How long y'all think we will have to wait for the trial? Looking at episode titles I guess it would appear to be two weeks.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:56 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:55 am to JimMorrison
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What? They can't feature every single storyline in an episode. There are just too many. If they did, you would bitch about the stories not getting enough screen time and how "not much really happened." I don't follow you on the latter part. What do you want out of episodes? Main characters dieing, battles being forged every week? That would honestly be retarded and detrimental to the whole show.
Obviously. But for example, last week (I think it was then) they seemed to have a LOT of filler shite that didn't advance any plots.
Of course I realize that they can't cram everything into one episode, nor do I expect them to (you're right, it would suffer if they did). But being that there are SO frickING MANY different things going on, basically all things should be relevant to plots advancing. We don't need to see Arya/Hound rob some random farmers (unless they will become important later on), or Dany rinsing and repeating three different cities. In past episodes, they've hit on a lot of different storylines and have done well to make them all important.
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Wasn't Jon stationed there when the Crows revolted? In his escape, he must not have been able to get Ghost out of there.
I remember he and Ghost sort of parting ways for a minute, but I didn't realize (or don't remember) that the Crows at Craster's Keep had Ghost captive.
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Again, I think you need some patience. The WWs are going to be a huge part of the story which needs to be built up and then when they start making moves, you will be able to fap to them going HAM.
You're right about that. But my thing is that they keep telling us how important they are, but we rarely ever see them, let alone see them doing anything impactful. The whole point is that "winter is coming" and the WWs are coming...but in actuality, they're not coming at all. They're taking babies and doing rituals underneath glaciers.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:58 am to CocomoLSU
Well we have more info on the WWs than book readers so there's that.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:00 am to Byron Bojangles III
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he put on the panel and in exchange Oberyn gets revenge on the Mountain probably in exchange for voting how Tywin tells him to.
Exactly. That was his bargain. I don't see how anybody could take Tywin's actions any other way than protecting his son (the family name). He could've had Tyrion killed at any random times for any number of things Tyrion did, and he hasn't yet. So this wouldn't change anything. And like you said, he knows Tyrion didn't/wouldn't kill Joffrey anyway (and I still am not convinced that Tywin wasn't either in on it or didn't know about it).
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I'm still shocked that Tyrion thinks he dad wants him dead.
Agreed. And I don't think he actually believes that Tywin wants him dead as much as he was just making the point that even his father has wished him dead all his life because his mother died giving birth to him). I don't think that = "wanting him dead now."
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:04 am to CocomoLSU
How long as Tyrion known about Cersi/Jamie? Jamie didn't blink when Tyrion said "you think i'd kill your son?" and Tywin can't know because as twisted as he is he'd never kill a Lannister (he's all but said this), but to everyone else Joff was a Baratheon but still I can't see Tywin intentionally putting his family down like that. Unless he felt he had no choice maybe?
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:06 am to Byron Bojangles III
At least season 2 but in the back of his head he's probably known all along. He's a smart one.
And Tywin definitely knew. Stamina sent out ravens to every lord in westeros. And didn't he and Olenna have a convo where he brought up Loris being gay and she brought up the incest?
And Tywin definitely knew. Stamina sent out ravens to every lord in westeros. And didn't he and Olenna have a convo where he brought up Loris being gay and she brought up the incest?
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:12 am to Byron Bojangles III
Tyrion and Tywin have both known since Stannis sent out those Ravens when he was trying to claim the throne. They just both kind of turned a blind eye to it.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:13 am to JimMorrison
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here would he go? Casterly Rock?
Follow Shae to Bravvos
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:16 am to Byron Bojangles III
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I can't see Tywin intentionally putting his family down like that.
Joffrey was mad with power he didn't actually have (because it's Tywin's power), he had to be put down like a rabid dog. If he didn't was there any doubt that Joffrey would at some point order the guards to kill Tyrion, Tywin, and even Cersei? On top of that, Tywin doesn't care about blood, he cares about legacy and the Lannister name. Joffrey was not considered a Lannister and posed a threat to those who did bear the Lannister name.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:19 am to Byron Bojangles III
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How long as Tyrion known about Cersi/Jamie?
IMO he's always known.
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Jamie didn't blink when Tyrion said "you think i'd kill your son?"
Tyrion has always known about that too. He was commenting on that shite back in season one I'm pretty sure. quote:
Tywin can't know because as twisted as he is he'd never kill a Lannister (he's all but said this), but to everyone else Joff was a Baratheon but still I can't see Tywin intentionally putting his family down like that. Unless he felt he had no choice maybe?
Tywin would do anything for the good of the family name, including killing his own IMO. He knew that Joffrey was an awful king, but he could always control him though (to an extent). The older he got, the less control Tywin had over him. IMO he knew it would eventually come down to Joffrey being killed (whether he was in on it or not, he had to know that outcome was inevitable).
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:24 am to CocomoLSU
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Tyrion has always known about that too. He was commenting on that shite back in season one I'm pretty sure.
dude I remember like 5 things from season 1
that's why i'm reading the book.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:32 am to CaptainBrannigan
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Follow Shae to Bravvos
Isn't she going to Pentos?
Oh and if that happens then
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:36 am to The_Joker
you ain't lying
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