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re: Empire - The 30 Films That Define The Last 30 Years

Posted on 8/7/19 at 6:04 pm to
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 6:04 pm to
1996 should be Independence Day

1998 should be Armageddon

2000 should be Gladiator

2002 should be Spiderman

2014 should be GOTG or Maleficent

2015 has like 5 other movies that could I put ahead of Fury Road for being defining films

2016 you can say La La Land, Arrival, Zootopia, Jungle Book, Deadpool or even The Great Wall.

2017, I get why they picked it so I’ll leave it be even though they should have gone with Wonder Woman.

For 2018, I’m fine with Black Panther as long as if they do this list next year, Endgame is the pick.

Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 6:14 pm to
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1998 should be Armageddon


Disagree.

Saving Private Ryan was the most iconic film from that particular year.
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 6:30 pm to
I thought Saving Private Ryan was 1999? If SPP was 98 then yeah both it and Armageddon are better choices.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 6:39 pm to
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Instead of criticizing... try and make your own list.


Bravo for this sentiment, i was arguing this about the all SEC team. I won't do a whole list but a couple of quibbles with your list

1993 : I've never been a big fan of Jurassic Park, i was probably to old to be blown away and was never into dinosaurs as a kid, plus it just pales to the obvious comparison Jaws, that said, i don't see how it is not the pick for this year. The F/X alone made this a massive influence. As for Sleepless in Seattle, I'd argue When Harry Met Sally was to rom coms what Scream was to horror. Does Nora Ephron direct SIS without WHMS?

1994: Personally i think any pick besides Pulp Fiction is just back lash. It's like giving the Heisman to Charles Woodson because you don't want to give it to Peyton Manning. It really put Tarantino on the map and solidified him as an important film maker beyond the film nerds. Roger Ebert called it the most influential movie of the 90's and i agree. I could maybe, maybe see a pick for Forest Gump, but certainly not Shawshank, Clerks i love but its just not the right year. This also further shows why i think 1994 is the single greatest movie year of all time.

This post was edited on 8/7/19 at 7:17 pm
Posted by TheeRealCarolina
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:35 pm to
Don’t know how I forgot about The Big Lebowski for ‘98. That is definitely ahead of Blade as well.
Posted by 632627
LA
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Posted on 8/7/19 at 7:43 pm to
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It's Scream in '96. Horrors movie had fallen to basically direct to Blockbuster productions at that point.



Some of their responses were no-brainers (titanic, Jurassic park), some are absolutely idiotic (blade, American psycho).

Scream, however, is their most impressive inclusion. I would have never thought it, but yeah, it redefined and re-established the horror genre.
This post was edited on 8/10/19 at 5:34 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:49 am to
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1998 American History X. Boy, was this movie ahead of the political times.


I don’t why know I didn’t think of this yesterday but this comment reminded me of The Siege which came out the same year and is also eerily prophetic.

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2017 The Last Jedi. Someone is going to earn the doctorate diving into how the reaction to this movie explains 2010's America


Is there a possibility that some of us didn’t like it because it was a bad movie? I half way think some people defend it because some “alt right” or whatever trolls hated it and talk about “SJW’s”
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 8:37 am
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:54 am to
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1994: Personally i think any pick besides Pulp Fiction is just back lash. It's like giving the Heisman to Charles Woodson because you don't want to give it to Peyton Manning. It really put Tarantino on the map and solidified him as an important film maker beyond the film nerds. Roger Ebert called it the most influential movie of the 90's and i agree. I could maybe, maybe see a pick for Forest Gump, but certainly not Shawshank, Clerks i love but its just not the right year. This also further shows why i think 1994 is the single greatest movie year of all time.


Fair, but I would point out that both me and Empire put Reservoir Dogs on the list. It's not really backlash, we just put the Tarantino experience with his debut, not the one that went big time. And that's a cheat because 1994 was a ridiculously loaded year while 1992... not so much. I mean, I guess you could go with Singles for the Seattle music thing, but otherwise you're left with Basic Instinct or Wayne's World, neither of which have aged all that well.
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:58 am to
That’s the kind of thing I noticed while going through the list trying to do my own. Some years were just godawful in terms of quality film and/or influential film.


My aborted list, for instance, was going to include Idiocracy and Straight Outta Compton simply because both films have an inordinate amount of influence / cultural staying power way out of whack for what you would expect for a film dumped by Fox because they didn’t know what to do with it and a biopic about a rap band.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:59 am to
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Is there a possibility that some of us didn’t like it because it was a bad movie? I half way think some people defend it because some “alt right” or whatever trolls hated it and talk about “SJW’s”


Sure. But if you look at the sheer volume of discussion about the movie, very little of it is about the movie, most of it is about the SJW stuff or nitpicking the science, which in a fantasy film is a total absurdity. This isn't an argument that it's the best film, but its not a coincidence that favorability of the movie tended to fall on political liones (not 100%, of course). It's like when people argue about the movie, many people aren't talking about the movie, even on a subconconcious level. It's truly fascinating.

But your last sentence is pretty damn instructive. I agree with that entirely. I don't even think people realize that's the reason why they like or dislike it. IT's embedded in our code.
Posted by Tactical1
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:13 am to
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It was the first comic book film that could truly be called a blockbuster


Superman says hi.
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:14 am to
I dont know about Reservoir Dogs, it didnt make that big of splash. Folks didn't even discover that film till years later.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:22 am to
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1) Batman
(Tim Burton, 1989)

2) Goodfellas
(Martin Scorsese, 1990)

3) Terminator 2: Judgment Day
(James Cameron, 1991)

4) Reservoir Dogs
(Quentin Tarantino, 1992)

5) Jurassic Park
(Steven Spielberg, 1993)


Just ranking these five against each other, I could see putting either Batman, Goodfellas, or Jurassic Park at the top of this list. Each for a 100% valid different reason.
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:24 am to
It’s chronological, not order of influence.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:40 am to
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try and make your own list


*cracks knuckles* But you already did really well:

1989 The Little Mermaid. I like the Do the Right Thing add, but Mermaid changed Disney for the next couple of decades. Not a great film, but influential.
1990 GoodFellas. No question.
1991 Point Break. A deceptively strong year with Lambs, Thelma and Louise, and Fisher King. But I'm going to agree on Point Break as the operatic action film.
1992 Unforgiven. I like the Dogs pick, but Eastwood made his love letter to a film genre.
1993 Jurassic Park. Top 10 Most influential film of all time.
1994 Clerks. I'd stick with Clerks here as well.
1995 Toy Story. Another that should be no question.
1996 Scream. And again.....
1997 Good Will Hunting. Another strong year with a lot of contenders. Affleck and Damon enter the scene. Robin Williams' best performance. Memorable and quotable.
1998 The Truman Show. Boy, was this movie ahead of the technological times. (I'm just going to leave this comment here and tweak it, haha)
1999 The Matrix. It's this or Fight Club as well. Take your pick.

2000 Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. I think we saw Asian films taken more seriously after this. This somehow was popular and brilliant.
2001 Fellowship of the Rings. I'll take the better movie, but both started the trend.
2002 Spirited Away. This year is easy for me. As much as I love CoG, I think that trend started with CTHD.
2003 X2. Yup, this was the beginning of the real superhero era. And it's a fantastic film to boot. The other option would be Old School and Bro Comedies.
2004 The Passion of the Christ. This has to be a lock. Biggest independent film ever. Incredibly divisive. Pure Mainstream religion.
2005 40 Year Old Virgin. A pretty good analysis of culture as well. I want to put A History of Violence here for almost the exact same reason...
2006 Casino Royale. I think there are a few films responsible for the current digging into the past. This is probably the most important one actually.
2007 Juno. I mean I really, really don't want to put this here. At all. But I have to.
2008 The Dark Knight. No question.
2009 Inglorious Basterds. Tarantino goes even more mainstream. Was that possible?

2010 Inception. Nolan redefines the blockbuster.
2011 Cabin in the Woods. The golden age of horror begins. (I agree here)
2012 Avengers. Marvel makes a comic book come to life. (And here)
2013 Her. I have to put in films that define culture as well, and here you go....
2014 Whiplash. This is why you can't follow Baloo....
2015 Mad Max Fury Road.
2016 Arrival. Has to be, nothing else stands out this year. Rogue One?
2017 It. We're making a guess at this point on how films will define time. My guess is It.
2018 Avengers Infinity War. The Best Superhero Film since TDK, and by doing the most superhero thing possible - bringing it all together. I would pair this with Endgame in 2019 if we were doing that and list Into the Spider-Verse instead.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60871 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 11:31 am to
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both me and Empire put Reservoir Dogs on the list. It's not really backlash, we just put the Tarantino experience with his debut


I get that and assumed it was the case especially with you. It doesn't sense to include both RD and PF, since they are only 2 years apart and the obvious similarities (great dialogue that is like real conversations, not just advancing the plot, pop culture references, non-linear story and even a great macguffin. Dogs is a heist movie without a heist, think studio suits allow that ? And you are right about being a perfect cheat since 1992 is a kind of a down year (I'll throw out A Few Good Men as another candidate) and 94 is so loaded. But for me a list of movies for the 90's that doesn't have Pulp Fiction just doesn't make sense. And while it may not be back lash for you (or Empire) i do feel like there is a lot of back lash against PF, especially on this board, so maybe im a little over sensitive because for me Pulp Fiction was a life changing movie.
Posted by Fewer Kilometers
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 11:52 am to
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It’s chronological, not order of influence.

Yes.

I know.

Just saying, for those five years, we had three game changing movies.
Posted by Baloo
Formerly MDGeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:21 pm to
Of course Freaux had a lot of my second/third choices, but now that I see the list, I really like his choice of Crouching Tiger in 2000, which opens up Spirited Away for 2002. I think the lack of Miyazaka is a glaring hole in my list. He's right to go that way.

I also didn't even consider The Passion for 2004, which is a great answer. I thought we were light on "chick flicks" so I'll stick by my Eternal Sunshine answer, but I'm a lot less confident in it.

I want Freaux to be right about 2001, because I would much rather the answer be LOTR.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38457 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 3:30 pm to
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Of course Freaux had a lot of my second/third choices, but now that I see the list, I really like his choice of Crouching Tiger in 2000, which opens up Spirited Away for 2002. I think the lack of Miyazaka is a glaring hole in my list. He's right to go that way.

I also didn't even consider The Passion for 2004, which is a great answer. I thought we were light on "chick flicks" so I'll stick by my Eternal Sunshine answer, but I'm a lot less confident in it.

I want Freaux to be right about 2001, because I would much rather the answer be LOTR.




I can totally see Potter as well. When we say "Define the Years" it's easy to argue one way or the other in a lot of years. I'd probably go put Pulp Fiction in 94. Clerks. PF. Both have their merits for defining the time period.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60871 posts
Posted on 8/8/19 at 7:07 pm to
i really like the the Little Mermaid pick, i thought of that one as well, it really kicks off the 2nd golden age of classic Disney animation.
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