re: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness now streaming on Disney+

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Multiverse or John Carter (first watch)?

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John Carter, by a big margin.

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Finally one of the thing I don't get is if Wanda have power from a Infinity Stone and Captain Marvel got her power the same way...they should be equal yet somehow Wanda over powers her...

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No, Wanda is a witch. She would have been anyway, just like Agatha Harkness. The Infinity Stone just leveled her up. She was able to cast hexes without doing spells; once she then tapped into that, it was game on.

Captain Marvel is a pilot who was gifted powers.

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They also made Wanda crazy for reasons.

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That's been coming for years. Her parents died in war, leaving her with only her brother. She was tinkered with by Hydra, then Ultron. Her brother died, leaving her alone. She found comfort with Vision, who was an android, not a human... already a bit off-balance there. Then she lost him, was forced to 'kill' him, in a move that was ultimately pointless.

She'd already lost her grip on reality when WandaVision came out, but because of her immense powers she created an alternate reality instead of coping and grieving. That attracted Harkness, who THOUGHT she could handle her, with the help of the Darkhold. But she lost, and in the process Wanda then gained the Darkhold, and an awareness of what her powers really were, and how to maximize them. And she fell into the trap of not seeing that as evil... because SHE would be the ultimate evil in this layout, it was not actually scary or a threat to her.
**this goes to the idea that people are scared of evil because it threatens them, not because it's wrong. Wanda didn't intend to become a monster, she wanted to gain more power, so in her eyes it wasn't evil, only necessary**

It's an interesting concept to explore, but I don't think they did it the justice they could have.

And yeah, if you are choosing between this and John Carter for a first-time watch, pick JC instead.

John Carter was a damn good and fun film, and should have been a successful property. The novels are there to make a good half-dozen films, if not more. It's old-school fantasy, from Edgar Rice Burroughs (who also gave us Tarzan), and a lot of the quirky "I've seen that trope before" stuff came from Carter originally. The film does tame down some parts (movie would have been a hard R otherwise ), as this came from the early pulp fiction tales. I think part of the issue it had was that; it honestly should have been more along the lines of Conan, instead of PG-13. But I thought they played it off ok... but Disney assassinated it so they could push the idea of buying Lucasfilm/Star Wars to the board instead.

MTB greatness this post.

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Holy frick. Movies I should kick myself in the dick for not watching before.

Great one.

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so, I take it you discovered John Carter wasn't as bad as the critics had panned it to be?

Like I said, Disney corporate skullduggery at their worst. The Mouse wanted a sci-fi/fantasy IP, and one faction put a lot of effort into bringing John Carter to the big screen. It was famously in development hell, as much like LOTR there was a lot that couldn't be done in live action that would do it justice. As LOTR proved, we've reached the point where that's no longer an issue.
So, ERB stuff was dated, but Tarzan was a cultural icon; Carter had a lot of the same core principals, but dialed up to 11.
Swords and sandals fun, but with aliens and guns tossed in.

The other part of Disney wanted the sure thing in Star Wars, which it figured it could pry from Lucas for the right price. But that side couldn't have John Carter be successful, because then they'd have an in-house franchise they could develop, rather than bring something in from outside.

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And did anyone discuss the math of Wong and Strange of saving the child and in the process they lost a shitload of their pupils at Kamar Taj and a whole other universe’s most powerful superheroes?

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Yeah, that was bad. I hate to say it, but I think Zombie Strange made the correct decision; if he could have taken her powers, he probably has a decent chance at fighting off Wanda.

Alternately, Dr Strange somehow moved people across the multiverse during Spiderman NWH. He did this without that being the specific goal. Odds are, he could sit down with Wanda and say "I did that by accident. We could examine what happened, pool our knowledge, and you could go find your kids without killing this kid or anyone else."

They probably could narrow down the spell to find the kids, in a universe where Wanda has died so they're orphans. And simply bring the parties together.

Seems like marvel movies have settled into consistent 5/10, or off-time viewing.

I watched Multiverse this afternoon (my B time slot). Decent overall with some good and bad, but glad I didn’t waste a Fri or Sat night time slot for it.

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Yes, Wanda wanted unlimited access to other realms to protect her kids. She mentioned if they got sick, she could find a cure and shite like that

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That's different than the 'prophecy' or whatever, that she would RULE the multiverse. Now granted, there's the slippery slope idea, you have all this power and you're not just going to sit by and raise the kids and do nothing else.

But again, if you have unlimited access to the multiverses, why take the kids from 'another' Wanda? There will be one where she dies, and they're orphaned; take them.
And like I said above, Strange already pulled people across multiverses by accident. You put the 2 together, focus on finding the correct universe (orphans), and pull them through. Wanda gets her kids, no harm is done to the multiverse by that, you've rescued some kids instead of becoming a horror movie villain, and BTW you have this chick who, with training, can open the multiverse.

Of course, you still have the concept of Wanda fricking around with the Darkhold, which would have pushed her farther evil the longer she lived.

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Seems like marvel movies have settled into consistent 5/10, or off-time viewing.

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Yeah they just don't have compelling characters or storylines anymore for these big, multi-part adventures. That was always the worry after the Infinity Gauntlet saga and losing Cap/Iron Man.

I mean just compare the whole Winter Soldier and Civil War mid-saga storylines and their emotional/dramatic impact to movies like MoM. It's like comparing apples to rusty nails. Not even in the same universe.

Taika taking Thor into adventure comedy and mixing that with GotG is the only positive angle post-Thanos

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But again, if you have unlimited access to the multiverses, why take the kids from 'another' Wanda?

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And in general, why couldn't Wanda just recreate her kids using her powers? Isn't that how she created them in the first place?