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Posted on 10/15/15 at 5:52 pm to MrTide33
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DISNEY Tournament
Got Kunis'd.
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FINALS [Make Your Case]
None of these films have a legitimate argument to win (and I love all three) so it's impossible to make a case.
Abstain.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 7:24 pm to Freauxzen
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None of these films have a legitimate argument to win (and I love all three) so it's impossible to make a case.
The way I set it up lent itself to better matchups early on, with the final being less interesting, honestly. But I think that's actually better than having a horrible tournament with the only good matchup being the last one
Posted on 10/15/15 at 7:27 pm to MrTide33
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1 Lion King
1 Finding Nemo
10 Jungle Book
Posted on 10/15/15 at 7:41 pm to MrTide33
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1 Lion King
1 Finding Nemo
10 Jungle Book
The Lion King, and it isn't really close. Far superior in originality, and changed animation/children's movies in a way that the other two never will. Great score, great plot, it has it all. Surprised the other two are in the finals, but the Lion King gets the pick.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 7:47 pm to MrTide33
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The way I set it up lent itself to better matchups early on, with the final being less interesting, honestly. But I think that's actually better than having a horrible tournament with the only good matchup being the last one
It's not that it's less interesting, it's that none of these films are truly the best of what Disney offers. And I'm beginning to think the Lion King is massively overrated. I mean it's going to run away with this, undeservedly.
The whole thing was fun, no worries about that, but just a bad ending.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 8:30 pm to Freauxzen
no beauty in the beast, cinderella, toy story or snow white pisses me off tbh. All of those are better, more important films than any of the 3 that made it here
Posted on 10/15/15 at 8:35 pm to ell_13
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no beauty in the beast, cinderella, toy story or snow white pisses me off tbh. All of those are better, more important films than any of the 3 that made it here
JB comes the closest and its still far away. And add Sleeping Beauty to that list.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:45 pm to MrTide33
Beauty and the Beast.
It's the gold standard and turned the formula on it's head. Belle is the first smart active princess who wants something more than a prince (keep in mind Disney never went back to a princess who wants a prince, Anna being the exception who learns her lesson). Beast is the defining prince who actually put personality and development to the love interest. Gaston would normally be the hero, but serves as deconstruction to the former beautiful prince that the studio always overlooked. It's got the single best musical numbers of any Disney film (at least on average). Any animated film with a love interest has tried to directly emulate it. It's entirely perfect.
And yes, it's an invalid vote, but it's simply ridiculous that Beauty and the Beast didn't make it here, and Finding Nemo and the Jungle Book did. Both are great movies, but I wouldn't put Nemo in my favorite Pixar films and Jungle Book in my favorite Disney films.
It's the gold standard and turned the formula on it's head. Belle is the first smart active princess who wants something more than a prince (keep in mind Disney never went back to a princess who wants a prince, Anna being the exception who learns her lesson). Beast is the defining prince who actually put personality and development to the love interest. Gaston would normally be the hero, but serves as deconstruction to the former beautiful prince that the studio always overlooked. It's got the single best musical numbers of any Disney film (at least on average). Any animated film with a love interest has tried to directly emulate it. It's entirely perfect.
And yes, it's an invalid vote, but it's simply ridiculous that Beauty and the Beast didn't make it here, and Finding Nemo and the Jungle Book did. Both are great movies, but I wouldn't put Nemo in my favorite Pixar films and Jungle Book in my favorite Disney films.
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:52 pm to LordoftheManor
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changed animation/children's movies in a way that the other two never will.
OK, did the Lion King really change animation? What has been emulated from it and been changed? Computer animation? No plenty of movies did it before. Killing the parent? Plenty of Disney movies did it before? Character in self doubt? Been done. I love the Lion King, but it did not change animation.
To be honest, Aladdin changed animation more than the Lion King did, and it was pretty much Dreamworks' first unofficial animated picture. On the top of my head, I can't think of a single major thing the Lion King added to animation as a whole.
Beauty and the Beast though, I can think of at least 10. Sure Snow White straight out of the gate is the most influential, but as far as storytelling, it's Beauty and the Beast, and it changed everything. Everything popping into my mind about that movie is either "new" or "turned formula on it's head". I'm going to go through them:
1) Belle the heroine isn't looking for a prince but something greater than herself. The only time since then they've gone back on this is Princess Anna, and she learns her lesson that falling for the first hot prince she sees is a horrible idea and he could be a manipulative monster for all she knows.
2) The Prince is for the first time treated as a guy with motives and develops rather than simply being a knight in shining armor.
3) The two main characters don't fall in love immediately.
4) It showed the magic of what computer animation can do while making it subtle, particularly in the ball room scene.
5) Established a comedic music number that turns heavily in tone towards the end.
6) The antagonist would normally be the hero of any Disney film before it, but here he's finally the villain. It makes you question literally every single Disney prince that came before Gaston.
7) The villain finally isn't pure evil from the start.
8) The musical numbers all show exactly what the characters want and drive the story instead of being catchy tunes. Seriously, not a wasted tune that doesn't drive the plot forward, which basically every other Disney film had up to that point.
9) First and only animated film at the time to be nominated for Best Picture.
...OK couldn't get to 10, but 9 is pretty damn good. This is why it's the best Disney film. Aside from taking place in a natural world, all of the Lion King had been done before. It's good, but highly over rated. Beauty and the Beast is without question Disney's masterpiece, and this tournament has turned into a joke that it's not here in the finals.
This post was edited on 10/15/15 at 11:15 pm
Posted on 10/15/15 at 10:53 pm to OMLandshark
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Beauty and the Beast.
It's the perfect Disney movie.
Only Disney film prior to category expansion, to get the Best Picture Nomination. I don't think people realize the quality of that film (not that a Best Picture nod is proof, but to get past all other requirements and match up with highly regarded Dramas as an animated film? That's unprecedented.)
Posted on 10/15/15 at 11:15 pm to Freauxzen
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Only Disney film prior to category expansion, to get the Best Picture Nomination. I don't think people realize the quality of that film (not that a Best Picture nod is proof, but to get past all other requirements and match up with highly regarded Dramas as an animated film? That's unprecedented.)
I agree. I don't think most people can get beyond "The Lion King was cool" when they were kids. It's still undeniably cool, but the Lion King was by no means a game changer. The adults at the time thought it was alright, but no one had seen anything like Beauty and the Beast when it was released. That one just made everyone realize what they'd been waiting to see their whole lives from Disney. For most of us these days, we can't remember a time when Beauty and the Beast wasn't a part of Disney lore, so we take it for granted and just go for the cooler Lion King since no one has exactly done anything like it since.
What many people don't realize is that the pretty consistent emulations of Beauty and the Beast means it's more respected and changed things. Our generation is just spoiled to that plot structure, when Beauty and the Beast got it right first.
This post was edited on 10/15/15 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 10/16/15 at 7:43 am to MrTide33
Lion King because it's the best
Posted on 10/16/15 at 1:19 pm to Byron Bojangles III
Which one was so good they made a successful Broadway musical from it? Oh yeah...Lion King.
Posted on 10/16/15 at 2:41 pm to MrTide33
Lion King and INEC. So many life lessons and the music is classic!
Posted on 10/16/15 at 3:36 pm to MrTide33
Jungle Book
Posted on 10/16/15 at 10:52 pm to MrTide33
Tron Legacy
Posted on 10/17/15 at 1:06 am to MrTide33
LK all day
Posted on 10/17/15 at 4:53 pm to vuvuzela
one of those movies stars Louis prima. The other two do not
open and shut argument
open and shut argument
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:27 am to MrTide33
horrible
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