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Discussion on Unforgiven
Posted on 11/16/18 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 9:34 pm
I watched this last night.
I thought it was a fine movie.
I do have a hard time seeing it as revolutionary as people have claimed it to be. Maybe because I’ve seen a lot of modern westerns that are a lot more in that line. But the only thing I really thought was exceptional was how they insidiously turned Hackman’s sheriff into this brutal tyrant. He was very good in it.
As for the other acting.... English Bob was great. And the Schofield Kid was really good. The scene of him crying after he shot the man was deveststing.
Freeman was fine but didn’t have much to do.
I was absolutely shocked that Clint Eastwood was nominated for acting for this. I thought his performance was not good. He gives many a good glower in this movie but otherwise seems to be s bit.... distracted in his acting, or delayed.
I thought it was a fine movie.
I do have a hard time seeing it as revolutionary as people have claimed it to be. Maybe because I’ve seen a lot of modern westerns that are a lot more in that line. But the only thing I really thought was exceptional was how they insidiously turned Hackman’s sheriff into this brutal tyrant. He was very good in it.
As for the other acting.... English Bob was great. And the Schofield Kid was really good. The scene of him crying after he shot the man was deveststing.
Freeman was fine but didn’t have much to do.
I was absolutely shocked that Clint Eastwood was nominated for acting for this. I thought his performance was not good. He gives many a good glower in this movie but otherwise seems to be s bit.... distracted in his acting, or delayed.
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 9:50 pm to athenslife101
His acting was like that by design. William Munny only took that job for the money. He was trying to leave his past as a stone cold killer behind him. He also had to avoid alcohol, since that triggered his violence. He had to avoid women to honor his dead wife which was tough considering the job was offered by prostitutes.
Then he had to deal with the Kid and his constant bragging. Obviously Munny was the real deal killer and saw through his bullshite. There was a lot going on with that character.
Then he had to deal with the Kid and his constant bragging. Obviously Munny was the real deal killer and saw through his bullshite. There was a lot going on with that character.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 9:52 pm to Brosef Stalin
I get all that. But I do t think it came through very well. Just how I saw it.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:00 pm to athenslife101
I loved how the Will Munny character transitioned from this guy who you had a hard time believing could be a cold blooded killer of women and children ... to this guy who you had no doubt was a cold blooded killer of anything that moved.
The final gunfight scene was a classic and absolutely well done.
The hooers played such an integral part in the entire story. The cutting by the one cowboy and then the assassination of both of them ... especially the nice one who was gut shot. He had tried so hard to make it right with the hooers.
It was a helluva movie imho, one of my all time favorite westerns.
Eastwood did deserve the nomination for his part though.
The final gunfight scene was a classic and absolutely well done.
The hooers played such an integral part in the entire story. The cutting by the one cowboy and then the assassination of both of them ... especially the nice one who was gut shot. He had tried so hard to make it right with the hooers.
It was a helluva movie imho, one of my all time favorite westerns.
Eastwood did deserve the nomination for his part though.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:02 pm to scrooster
I never got that. I never got a transition at all. His character never made me feel one thing one way or the other. He was wooden at the beginning and he was wooden at the end.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:03 pm to Brosef Stalin
When Munny finds out Ned got killed and takes that sip of whiskey...you knew shite was about to hit the fan.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:05 pm to jodyHighroller
When he told the Kid to give him his gun you could see the fear in the Kid's face. That was a man ready to do some killing.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:05 pm to jodyHighroller
But all he did was walk in there unopposed and shoot the main bad guy. Nothing about him seemed brutal. He just seemed like he was playing a different character than what the movie called for. I like Clint Eastwood as an actor, but honestly, he was the worst part of the movie for me by far.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:06 pm to athenslife101
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I do have a hard time seeing it as revolutionary as people have claimed it to be. Maybe because I’ve seen a lot of modern westerns that are a lot more in that line.
I don't remember anyone saying that at the time.
What they did say was that this was "the Western that killed Westerns."
The whole fudging and mucking up the black hat/white hat.
Who had the black hat? Who really has the white hat?
And it was bleak for the time. "Modern Westerns" have copied that aspect of Unforgiven.
We were so used to rooting for Clint over the years that we root against Hackman over almost nothing. The whores are getting a bum deal...that's the big deal...so everyone has to get murdered because they didn't get enough dollar on the ponies?
(And the whores argue that Skinny is only getting compensated because she can't work no more) - well that was TOTALLY the deal back then in the old West and small towns in the far outposts...the whorehouse owner would pay for your trip out there, pay to lodge you and pay for your food...and you made money on tips and such.
So Skinny is really out a lot of money. He's the one a judge would compensate. I mean Hackman should have locked them up for a month or something whatever they did back then for battery.
Compared to with what Munney has done?
But it's Clint on screen so we can't dislike him.
I don't know if Clint could have ever been Frank...maybe to people who grew up with Fonda thought the same thing we think of Clint and didn't buy him as a bad guy in Once Upon a Time...idk, but I didn't grow up with Fonda, I grew up with Clint movies and would never buy him as Frank.
But Clint isn't a good guy at all in Unforgiven...NOT EVEN COUNTING HIS PAST...he's not a good guy on the quest...he's going to murder people simply because he's getting paid...and the punishment doesn't remotely fit the crime and he doesn't give a shite about that.
Even Morgan Freeman says, "Will I can't do this no more" - letting us know that Clint is a POS human being who has no moral compass and really was lying to himself with his wife and farm kids.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:10 pm to athenslife101
quote:you mean besides the part where he shoots the unarmed bartender
But all he did was walk in there unopposed and shoot the main bad guy. Nothing about him seemed brutal.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:12 pm to MF Doom
Yeah, not impressed. By that or his killing of the deputies: that was heavily foreshadowed and not exciting at all.
I never got a glimpse of him as a hard man. Who would kill women and children st a whim.
I never got a glimpse of him as a hard man. Who would kill women and children st a whim.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:13 pm to MF Doom
Not to mention all of the armed deputies in there.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:15 pm to MF Doom
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you mean besides the part where he shoots the unarmed bartender
Well he should’ve armed himself
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:19 pm to MF Doom
I thought Saul Rubinek did his typical terrific job as the Dime Store Novelist following English Bob around who happens to run into two real bad asses in Bill Munny and Little Bill Daggett.
Rubinek has done so many great character parts not the least of which was Beauchamp but to include the Sports Agent in Against All Odds and the Producer/Director in True Romance.
Rubinek has done so many great character parts not the least of which was Beauchamp but to include the Sports Agent in Against All Odds and the Producer/Director in True Romance.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:20 pm to athenslife101
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I never got a glimpse of him as a hard man. Who would kill women and children st a whim.
Remember when Little Bill was explaining to Beauchamp about how an experienced gunman enters a fight like he's planned it all out or there's a science behind it? After the fight at the bar Munny says he was just lucky, like it was nothing. He didn't think about it, he just reacted. That's who he was, a killer. He had been trying to deny it the whole movie saying he was a family man now but that was false. Killing is just second nature to him whether he wants to admit it or not.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:21 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Even Morgan Freeman says, "Will I can't do this no more" - letting us know that Clint is a POS human being who has no moral compass and really was lying to himself with his wife and farm kids.
Yet ... he never fooled his mother in law.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:33 pm to athenslife101
He was not distracted, he was conflicted and reluctant. Conflicted by who he pretended to be and reluctant to be who he really was, a stone cold killer
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:40 pm to supatigah
unforgiven sets the bar really high for al the westerns it is now on Netflix so I will watch it again soon.
Posted on 11/17/18 at 12:41 am to scrooster
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Even Morgan Freeman says, "Will I can't do this no more" - letting us know that Clint is a POS human being who has no moral compass and really was lying to himself with his wife and farm kids.
Yet ... he never fooled his mother in law.
And Hackman was building a house.
Sure, we are made to feel Hackman is a bad character because he kicks the shite out of English Bob.
But the guy is just doing his fricking job. He knew what English Bob was...and why he was there.
Hackman is fricking Gary Cooper compared to the cuthroats coming to his town and he knows they are coming.
A small whorehouse battery crime sets off all these murderers descending on his town and he's not supposed to fight back and lay down the law?
The town has a no weapons ordinance and it certainly has a no murder ordinance.
Hackman is the good guy trying to protect people from being murdered over a crime that doesn't remotely sanction a death sentence.
I mean, the whores want the Cowboys murdered.
And it's brilliant that Clint as Director sets it up this way...the entire movie is murky on who good vs. evil and by making Munny evil "but saved" makes it even murkier.
And the saved part is what saves the movie...because if they just presented Munney as he was (well they do eventually) but didn't show the opening scenes with family...Hackman would be the defender of the town, the hero...if we didn't like Clint so much.
It gets love because the movie destroyed the Western mythos that roles were EASILY definable in those movies. And it's a great movie because of that.
It's ambigious towards right and wrong...and up to each viewer to decide.
It won Best Picture rightfully so...because it was unlike Westerns before...and well done and crafted to make us unsure about who is in the right...even with the kid, basically telling Munney, "I ain't like you."
Clint is the antihero Cowboy. Yet the central character and portrayed as the hero in the conventional shoot em' up sense but not the moral sense.
This post was edited on 11/17/18 at 12:45 am
Posted on 11/17/18 at 2:42 am to scrooster
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Rubinek has done so many great character parts not the least of which was Beauchamp but to include the Sports Agent in Against All Odds and the Producer/Director in True Romance.
He has a nice little role in The Ballad of Buster Scruggs too.
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