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Dinosaur 13 (CNN documentary about Sue the largest T-Rex every found)
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:31 pm
Powerful and shocking movie.
It really makes the government out to be criminal.
And it makes you HATE Maurice Williams. What a greedy a-hole.
Essentially this is the dinosaur version of Family Services unjustly taking away a child from a family.
2 years in maximum security federal prison for "failure to fill out forms". What a joke.
It really makes the government out to be criminal.
And it makes you HATE Maurice Williams. What a greedy a-hole.
Essentially this is the dinosaur version of Family Services unjustly taking away a child from a family.
2 years in maximum security federal prison for "failure to fill out forms". What a joke.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:32 pm to mizzoukills
huh?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:47 pm to mizzoukills
What the frick?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:50 pm to mizzoukills
Tried watching it, but didn't catch the beginning and couldn't figure out what was going on. The government stole some guy's dinosaur is what I was able to get out of it. Well, they didn't steal it so much a seize it and give it back to they guy who owned the land in which it was found.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:08 pm to mizzoukills
It was great. I came into it after the beginning, so it took a while for me to understand what was going on. I recorded it to watch again tonight. It seriously pissed me off.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:31 pm to SSpaniel
SPOILERS!!!! SPOILERS!!!! SPOILERS!!!! SPOILERS!!!! SPOILERS!!!!
In the 1970s, a team of paleontologists discover the largest full T-Rex skeleton in South Dakota. They paid the owner of the property $5,000 (check) for ownership of the bones. He's on video accepting payment and wishing them luck.
They start a museum in the small town of Hill City, SD based around the T-Rex skeleton. It becomes a major source of revenue for that museum and the struggling small town.
They continue working on the skeleton for nearly 20 years until the early 1990s when the US government (FBI) swooped into Hill City and confiscated the T-Rex skeleton and all records and research related to the skeleton claiming that it had been illegally taken from government property.
This sparked outrage and protests across the country.
It also sparked legal battles which resulted in the felony conviction of the lead scientist. He received 2 years in maximum security federal prison for "failure to fill out forms". According to legal experts, "failure to fill out Custom's forms" usually results in probation or a maximum of 6 months imprisonment. Prison officials commented that his sentence was the "result of someone having it out for you."
Ultimately, the bones were given back to the landowner. The government claimed that the original transaction was null and void because the landowner didn't have the right to sell the bones. However, the landowner immediately auctioned the bones at Sotheby's in New York City for $8 million. That transaction was approved by the federal government.
Fortunately, the Field Museum in Chicago was the winning bidder. The worry was that the bones would end up in a wealthy private collection and never seen again. The Field Museum made Sue (the T-Rex) the focus of their collection which is on display for the public to marvel.
Unfortunately, this is a story about how the government can overreach and take anything away from you, including your freedom, at any moment. These scientists dedicated their professional lives (nearly 20 years) to "Sue" and within 3 days it was all taken from them.
In the 1970s, a team of paleontologists discover the largest full T-Rex skeleton in South Dakota. They paid the owner of the property $5,000 (check) for ownership of the bones. He's on video accepting payment and wishing them luck.
They start a museum in the small town of Hill City, SD based around the T-Rex skeleton. It becomes a major source of revenue for that museum and the struggling small town.
They continue working on the skeleton for nearly 20 years until the early 1990s when the US government (FBI) swooped into Hill City and confiscated the T-Rex skeleton and all records and research related to the skeleton claiming that it had been illegally taken from government property.
This sparked outrage and protests across the country.
It also sparked legal battles which resulted in the felony conviction of the lead scientist. He received 2 years in maximum security federal prison for "failure to fill out forms". According to legal experts, "failure to fill out Custom's forms" usually results in probation or a maximum of 6 months imprisonment. Prison officials commented that his sentence was the "result of someone having it out for you."
Ultimately, the bones were given back to the landowner. The government claimed that the original transaction was null and void because the landowner didn't have the right to sell the bones. However, the landowner immediately auctioned the bones at Sotheby's in New York City for $8 million. That transaction was approved by the federal government.
Fortunately, the Field Museum in Chicago was the winning bidder. The worry was that the bones would end up in a wealthy private collection and never seen again. The Field Museum made Sue (the T-Rex) the focus of their collection which is on display for the public to marvel.
Unfortunately, this is a story about how the government can overreach and take anything away from you, including your freedom, at any moment. These scientists dedicated their professional lives (nearly 20 years) to "Sue" and within 3 days it was all taken from them.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:33 pm to AlxTgr
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It seriously pissed me off.
Me too. I'm still pissed about it.
I truly feel sorry for those scientists, especially the lead scientist that served 18 months in maximum security federal prison with people like Dahmer.
What a joke.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:55 pm to mizzoukills
The documentary didn't indicate whether or not Maurice Williams was required to reimburse the scientists the original $5,000 payment that he accepted from them in the 1970s, did it?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:59 pm to mizzoukills
I wonder why there was no talk of appeal of the sentencing?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 5:04 pm to AlxTgr
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I wonder why there was no talk of appeal of the sentencing?
Good point. I liked how the prosecutor openly said that they should've been thrown the book. He was pissed that they essentially were acquitted.
Does he really believe that they did anything wrong? I know it was his job to prosecute them, but come on!
Posted on 12/15/14 at 6:43 pm to mizzoukills
I've seen Sue. She's right at the entrance to the museum, literally the first thing you see when you walk in.
But I was there to see The Ghost and The Darkness. Now that's a bizarre story.
But I was there to see The Ghost and The Darkness. Now that's a bizarre story.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 6:46 pm to mizzoukills
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The documentary didn't indicate whether or not Maurice Williams was required to reimburse the scientists the original $5,000 payment that he accepted from them in the 1970s, did it?
Did you just ask yourself a question?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 6:55 pm to mizzoukills
Dinosaur board
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:03 pm to mizzoukills
quote:I could not believe what he was saying.
Does he really believe that they did anything wrong? I know it was his job to prosecute them, but come on!
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:29 pm to Radiojones
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Dinosaur board
There isn't a specific board for Les Miles' offense.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:39 pm to PsychTiger
True story: I was working on another project at the Field Museum in the same storage room they were using to prepare the bones back in the late 90s. Got to pet the skull and hold a tooth- that was terrifyingly huge.
Honestly, I don't believe that any individual should own what is a shared heritage to us all, and most of the scientists are likely using federal funds/grants anyway to start digging.
Honestly, I don't believe that any individual should own what is a shared heritage to us all, and most of the scientists are likely using federal funds/grants anyway to start digging.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:46 pm to UL-SabanRival
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The Ghost and The Darkness. Now that's a bizarre story.
The Val Kilmer movie from the 90's is excellent.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 7:56 pm to SoGaFan
SoGaFan you better go read the story and where the bones in most museums come from...
Most come from private digs and sold to all those nationally known museums.
The bones of T-13 was declared land by the judge ruling on the case to be able to void the transaction of the sell. Yes the government then helps the land owner sell Sue.
The person in charge of the dig is one of the worlds top T-Rex experts and has helped find more T-Res dinosaurs than anyone else in the world today.
He after the fiasco of Sue has gone on to sell other T-rexs, but because there none near as complete as SUE, the government has never stepped into his life again.
This was a pure case of government over reaching and jumping into a field it did not belong are have the experience to even take and care for SUE.
Had not Peter Larson and his team stepped in and packed SUE up for the government there is no telling the damage that may have been done.
In the story Peter Larson is the hero, Williams and government are the bad guys.
And btw museums still today buy bones from private collectors who go into the field and find the stuff (yes and getting the permits, and permission to dig and to check the legal documents needed etc).
Most come from private digs and sold to all those nationally known museums.
The bones of T-13 was declared land by the judge ruling on the case to be able to void the transaction of the sell. Yes the government then helps the land owner sell Sue.
The person in charge of the dig is one of the worlds top T-Rex experts and has helped find more T-Res dinosaurs than anyone else in the world today.
He after the fiasco of Sue has gone on to sell other T-rexs, but because there none near as complete as SUE, the government has never stepped into his life again.
This was a pure case of government over reaching and jumping into a field it did not belong are have the experience to even take and care for SUE.
Had not Peter Larson and his team stepped in and packed SUE up for the government there is no telling the damage that may have been done.
In the story Peter Larson is the hero, Williams and government are the bad guys.
And btw museums still today buy bones from private collectors who go into the field and find the stuff (yes and getting the permits, and permission to dig and to check the legal documents needed etc).
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 8:12 pm to ManBearTiger
quote:
The Val Kilmer movie from the 90's is excellent.
Yeah, I enjoyed it, and it stayed pretty true to reality, for a Hollywood movie. They really did kill that many people, confound the traps and other attempts to kill them.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 9:04 pm
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