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Dazed and Confused deleted scenes reveal previously unknown plot/character details
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:02 pm
After a recent re-watch of Dazed (which damn, this film is still basically the best protrayal of high school social life I've ever seen and a phenomenal movie), I stumbled upon a 25 min clip of deleted scenes from the film that I had never seen before.
Here is the clip: LINK
I couldn't believe how much these scenes fleshed out the plot and characters of the movie. I'm glad they cut most of these out and I know they did it, but they were pretty great.
Story details the viewer never knew about:
- The seniors knew where Mitch Kramer was that night at the ballgame because his friends (the kid with the car) ratted him out to get out of their own licks.
- Jodie (Kramer's big sister) was actually a virgin and was trying to get Randal Pink Floyd as her first. It is also heavily impied that Pink was just using Mitch Kramer to get into Jodie's pants.
- The Kiss painted statues were actually a set of bicenetial statues they stole from some local bank or government building downtown.
- When the cops showed up and busted Pink, Wooderson, and Co. at the football field, they took them all aside separately and questioned them about the statues and how they stole them (the statues were in Pink's El Camino and the cops took them with them when they left the scene). They tell them they found the statues and the cops let them off because they're football players.
- Affleck (O'Bannion) actually shows back up again in the film after the paint incident. He shows up at the Moontower. He also seems to really frick with Slater much more about his drug use than shown in the film.
- Benny (Cole Hauser's character) really disapproves of Pink's drug habits. He also doesn't like Vietnamese refugees coming into Austin and gets in an argument about the Vietnam War with Pink (who is shown to be much more liberal and philosophical than the final film shows). A lot of the more political 60s/70s discussion stuff was cut out of the film.
- Many more of the girls are virgins/ sexual novices than previously thought. Kaye is also shown to be a burgeoning feminist after spending the summer with her sister at college. The girls then tell her she just needs to get laid and she'll stop thinking women are just there as sex objects.
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Here is the clip: LINK
I couldn't believe how much these scenes fleshed out the plot and characters of the movie. I'm glad they cut most of these out and I know they did it, but they were pretty great.
Story details the viewer never knew about:
- The seniors knew where Mitch Kramer was that night at the ballgame because his friends (the kid with the car) ratted him out to get out of their own licks.
- Jodie (Kramer's big sister) was actually a virgin and was trying to get Randal Pink Floyd as her first. It is also heavily impied that Pink was just using Mitch Kramer to get into Jodie's pants.
- The Kiss painted statues were actually a set of bicenetial statues they stole from some local bank or government building downtown.
- When the cops showed up and busted Pink, Wooderson, and Co. at the football field, they took them all aside separately and questioned them about the statues and how they stole them (the statues were in Pink's El Camino and the cops took them with them when they left the scene). They tell them they found the statues and the cops let them off because they're football players.
- Affleck (O'Bannion) actually shows back up again in the film after the paint incident. He shows up at the Moontower. He also seems to really frick with Slater much more about his drug use than shown in the film.
- Benny (Cole Hauser's character) really disapproves of Pink's drug habits. He also doesn't like Vietnamese refugees coming into Austin and gets in an argument about the Vietnam War with Pink (who is shown to be much more liberal and philosophical than the final film shows). A lot of the more political 60s/70s discussion stuff was cut out of the film.
- Many more of the girls are virgins/ sexual novices than previously thought. Kaye is also shown to be a burgeoning feminist after spending the summer with her sister at college. The girls then tell her she just needs to get laid and she'll stop thinking women are just there as sex objects.
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This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 5:05 pm
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:26 pm to Jack Ruby
I actually have a bootleg VHS of Dazed and Confused that I got back in the 90s that had all those scenes edited in. The picture quality was awful for those bits but they had fully edited sound and music (Aerosmith's Dream On plays while Pink and Simone talk during a short scene at the Moon Tower) so the only thing I could think of was that they came from a person who taped it with a camera at a test screening.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:31 pm to Jack Ruby
Randall should have signed the damn no drug agreement.
What did he grow up to be? Did he turn down every job because he had to sign an agreement to do something he didn’t want to do?
What did he grow up to be? Did he turn down every job because he had to sign an agreement to do something he didn’t want to do?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:42 pm to Jack Ruby
The cuts were smart as they made it a more ageless narrative. Always figured they’d stolen the bicentennial statues, kind of liked that they left it nebulous as to where they came from.
Also liked that they didn’t reveal how they knew to be at Mitch’s game, it played into the narrative of everyone going through these roles that had been passed down (so the guys doing the hazing. Had once played on that field and been hazed themselves).
As the characters go, they gave them just enough distinct personality for the narrative but the edits left them vague enough that you could identify your own friends in each of them. Pink always came off to me as the really talented guy who was perhaps too cool and smart for his own good as he lost his opportunism in exchange for ego. I think we all know someone who had that youthful hubris in HS
Also liked that they didn’t reveal how they knew to be at Mitch’s game, it played into the narrative of everyone going through these roles that had been passed down (so the guys doing the hazing. Had once played on that field and been hazed themselves).
As the characters go, they gave them just enough distinct personality for the narrative but the edits left them vague enough that you could identify your own friends in each of them. Pink always came off to me as the really talented guy who was perhaps too cool and smart for his own good as he lost his opportunism in exchange for ego. I think we all know someone who had that youthful hubris in HS
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:55 pm to tylerdurden24
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Pink always came off to me as the really talented guy who was perhaps too cool and smart for his own good as he lost his opportunism in exchange for ego. I think we all know someone who had that youthful hubris in HS
Hollywood on the whole does a good job of churning out jock characters that are dumb or mean or oafish or all of the above. Jock characters that crossover as popularity alphas pick up traits of snobbishness and rigidity among social classes.
That was not my high school experience in the mid 00s. Popular students were, by and large, popular. They were friendly, fairly smart, good athletes; social butterflies who fit in with most everyone from Ag Guys to Stoners to Choir Kids.
That's why Pink rings so true. His character is more than some drama geek's vengeful fantasy 20 years down the road, he actually seems like someone we all might have grown up knowing, even if we didn't interact socially.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:56 pm to Jack Ruby
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Jodi Kramer
Seriously underrated
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:57 pm to Jack Ruby
I had to bail. That was brutally boring. But that tall trampy blonde was hot.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:58 pm to SCLibertarian
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Seriously underrated
Clean up those bangs and she's in the Hall of Fame.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 6:10 pm to Muthsera
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That was not my high school experience in the mid 00s. Popular students were, by and large, popular. They were friendly, fairly smart, good athletes; social butterflies who fit in with most everyone from Ag Guys to Stoners to Choir Kids.
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That's why Pink rings so true. His character is more than some drama geek's vengeful fantasy 20 years down the road
As someone who was in the class between Mitch Cramer and Randall Floyd, I can tell you that this film is spot on as a representation of southern high schools of the time. There’s no revenge fantasy in play here. Take out the paddling and it was my exact high school experience.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 10:46 pm to Fewer Kilometers
I think it was basically every southern, non-mega sized, high school.
I know we used to pinpoint out friends that were each character. I assume the social structure from basically the mid 70s through the late 00s was almost exactly the same throughout the South.
I'd have to assume social media has drastically changed social interactions in high school for the last 10-12 years, however.
I think the reason Dazed feels so real to so many people is because Linklater was a normal, probably pretty popular high school kid and not some theater geek, weirdo a-hole.
He was a baseball player, probably pretty good looking and, if you've ever seen Interviews with him, he's a very mellow, likeable guy.
He's also a film director and quite the free spirit liberal, so you know he probably based much of Randall Pink on himself. Randy is shown much more in those deleted scenes to have a almost just as much in common with the smart prude kids as he does with the jocks and the stoners. He had his core group of Donny and Benny, but he could definetly hang out in almost any group.
Basically, as was with my high school, there were certain cliques, but, it basically came down to... Did you party or not? And all of those groups always ended up the same places.
I know we used to pinpoint out friends that were each character. I assume the social structure from basically the mid 70s through the late 00s was almost exactly the same throughout the South.
I'd have to assume social media has drastically changed social interactions in high school for the last 10-12 years, however.
I think the reason Dazed feels so real to so many people is because Linklater was a normal, probably pretty popular high school kid and not some theater geek, weirdo a-hole.
He was a baseball player, probably pretty good looking and, if you've ever seen Interviews with him, he's a very mellow, likeable guy.
He's also a film director and quite the free spirit liberal, so you know he probably based much of Randall Pink on himself. Randy is shown much more in those deleted scenes to have a almost just as much in common with the smart prude kids as he does with the jocks and the stoners. He had his core group of Donny and Benny, but he could definetly hang out in almost any group.
Basically, as was with my high school, there were certain cliques, but, it basically came down to... Did you party or not? And all of those groups always ended up the same places.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:26 pm to Muthsera
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That was not my high school experience in the mid 00s. Popular students were, by and large, popular. They were friendly, fairly smart, good athletes; social butterflies who fit in with most everyone from Ag Guys to Stoners to Choir Kids.
You hit it right on the head. My high school experience ('82, so I'm right in Linklater's wheelhouse) is like yours and why I've always thought most high school/coming of age stories ring false. There wasn't near the snobbishness as usually portrayed - and I went to an upper middle class high school. That's why D&C hit me like a sledgehammer. Minus the hazing element, the rest of the movie could be my yearbook come to life.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 12:12 am to Jack Ruby
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Basically, as was with my high school, there were certain cliques, but, it basically came down to... Did you party or not? And all of those groups always ended up the same places.
So true. Partying cut across many social cliques.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 9:02 am to Jack Ruby
There’s another deleted scene of Pickford and slater stalking freshman which is dumb because neither of those characters would have cared about that tradition. All of the deleted scenes were pretty out of place. Thank god he didn't put the O'bannion at the moon tower scene in the final cut.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 11:35 am
Posted on 5/8/21 at 10:52 am to Jack Ruby
all evidence that the movie was expertly edited and is perfect as is
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:27 pm to cgrand
I think that Dazed and Confused holds up remarkably well even today given its set in 1976, but the one thing I found completely unrealistic in that movie was seniors hanging out with freshmen. That never happened at my high school.
It’s crazy to think the characters in that movie are 63 years old today. And someone that is 63 would have a similar high school experience as someone that is 25 or even 18 now.
It’s crazy to think the characters in that movie are 63 years old today. And someone that is 63 would have a similar high school experience as someone that is 25 or even 18 now.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:18 pm to Boaz
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but the one thing I found completely unrealistic in that movie was seniors hanging out with freshmen.
Yeah, I agree.
There's a huge difference between 14 and 18 year olds. They simply don't mesh.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:31 pm to GetCocky11
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but the one thing I found completely unrealistic in that movie was seniors hanging out with freshmen.
quote:Only two non-dick Seniors each took a Freshman under their wing for the night. I didn't think for a second that those two Freshman were suddenly in Senior clicks for the next year. The rest of the Seniors obviously didn't give a shite about them. We had Senior big brothers and big sisters assigned to us when we were Freshman. I know some of them actually doubled with their little brothers/sisters to the first small school dance, just as a good gesture.
Yeah, I agree.
There's a huge difference between 14 and 18 year olds. They simply don't mesh.
We had a couple of Seniors and Juniors dating Freshman girls. That part rang true.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 6:18 pm to Jack Ruby
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The seniors knew where Mitch Kramer was that night at the ballgame because his friends (the kid with the car) ratted him out to get out of their own licks.
Every time I’ve seen it this scene was in it. I remember all the other scenes too but those must have been a special edition copy
Posted on 5/8/21 at 6:21 pm to GetCocky11
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quote: but the one thing I found completely unrealistic in that movie was seniors hanging out with freshmen. Yeah, I agree. There's a huge difference between 14 and 18 year olds. They simply don't mesh.
First time I got drunk I was 14 and it was the summer between 8th grade and 9th grade. I was at a party on lake Claiborne and seniors all the way they incoming freshman were at this party.
Every weekend was a party somewhere my whole high school years. No one dated anyone lower than 2 grades below them but we sure all got fricked up together.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 11:45 pm to bulldog95
Most schools in my area didn't even have freshman at their campus... They all went to junior high with the 8th and 7th graders., which is much more suitable for their maturity level.
9th graders had no business being around 16, 17, and 18 yr olds. They were just too young.
If a 9th grader ever did show up at a high school party, he was either with a big sister/brother or a total douche nobody wanted there anyway and they wouldn't even really know anybody.
It's almost like high school kids showing up to a college party. It's jusr didn't happen.
9th graders had no business being around 16, 17, and 18 yr olds. They were just too young.
If a 9th grader ever did show up at a high school party, he was either with a big sister/brother or a total douche nobody wanted there anyway and they wouldn't even really know anybody.
It's almost like high school kids showing up to a college party. It's jusr didn't happen.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 11:47 pm
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