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Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 5:58 pm
Whats some of the weirdest yall know?
Who do you think the hooded man is belle? It really wouldn't surprise me if it is actually Theon suffering from an alternate personality.
ETA: Saintsfan has been awesome enough to provide this ongoing list for us
Pgs1-50
quote:
Hooded Man=Theon reflection of himself
Hooded Man=Benjen
Hooded Man=Blackfish
Hooded Man=Harwin
Hooded Man=Jon
Hooded Man=Mance
Weirwood paste is people
Benjen is alive and fighting a shadow war
Benjen is dead
Benjen is undead and leading the Others
R+L=J and Howland Reed is the only one alive who knows
Varys also knows R+L=J somehow
R+L=/=J
Jon=Azor Ahai and Dany=Nissa Nissa
Jon=Azor Ahai and Arya=Nissa Nissa (not Lannister-esque love, tho)
Rhaegar=Azor Ahai, Lyana=Nissa Nissa, and Jon=Lightbringer
Ned=shite swordsman
Aegon=Blackfyre=Mummer's Dragon
Aegon=Illyrio's son
Jon will end up with Val at the end
Jon is alive, but it was Melisandre who had him killed so he would be reborn as AA
Jon is dead but will warg into other animals a la Orell
Brienne will allow Jamie to kill her so that Jamie can live (trial by combat)
Jaime will allow Brienne to kill him so that she can live
Pretty Merris=Brienne?
Jamie will kill Cersei
Sandor will kill Robert Strong
Arya will wreck shite with Nymeria and her pack in tow
Dany will sail East to attack Westeros from the West
Blackfish will reveal Sansa's true identity at her wedding and will reveal Littlefingers role in her fathers death
Rickon is running a crew of Cannibals...lol
3 Dragon Riders=Jon, Tyrion and Dany
3 Dragon Riders=Aegon, Tyrion, and Dany
Bran will warg into Jon's dragon
Lady Dustin is anti-stark
Lady Dustin is pro-stark and just putting on a front
Varys=Targaryan
Varys=Blackfyre
Tryion=Targaryan
Bloodraven is the person/thing training Bran
Bloodraven warged into the Raven at castle black to save Jon from the wight and helped get him elected Lord Snow
Bloodraven is evil as hell and training Bran to become the Great Other that Melisandre foresaw
Bran was the one who warged into the Raven that got Bran elected
The lone wolf dies but the pack survives=the remaining starks will be reunited soon
Tysha is alive in Braavos and has Tyrion's daughter
CottonwasKing has an acreboyish attraction to Arya
The Others and the Children are fighting in league with each other against the Andal invaders
Rhaegar was planning to overthrow his father during/after Robert's Rebellion
Euron traded his dragon egg to the faceless man to kill Balon Greyjoy
Ned Stark did not kill Arthur Dayne-hence his son being nicknamed Ned...
Who wrote the letter to Jon? Theon, Ramsey, Roose, Mance, Jon writing to Mance who is acting as Jon, the 1989 Denver Broncos?
Hodor!!!
Too many baby swaps for mortals to comprehend
Pgs 50-84
Jaime gets his sword hand revived by Thoros; becomes a bad-arse duel wielder
Robb will be revived with Grey Wind's head...
Brienne is a descendent of Dunk
Hodor is a descendent of Dunk
Hodor is not a Dunk-kin, but he has Giant's blood
Nan was a wildling from beyond the wall-that's how she knows so much about the north
Nan and Dunk did a little wink wink nudge nudge
Gregor is headless
Gregor is a frankenstein with someone elses head
Gregor has Robb's head
Hooded Man=Hallis Mollen
Dany has the bloody flux and will die (Bluegrass' wish)
The wall will fall and the wildlings will flood the North (aren't they already on this side of the wall?)
Sam ends up as Maester of Nights Watch
Sam ends up as Maester in Kings Landing
Sam has the horn that can destroy the wall
Tons of speculation on who will rule what in the end
Sandor is the Valonqar-him killing Gregor causes Cersei's death
Sandor will beat Gregor but Cersei will escape somehow; Jaime will hunt her down and deliver the Kings justice
Littlefinger and Varys will ally to help Aegon
Littlefinger has the sword Blackfyre hidden in some tapestries
Jon=Night's King returned
Bran=Azor Ahai and will warg into a dragon (...ok)
R+L=J...but the R is Robert
Jaqen is in the Citadel and is trying to find out how to hatch the dragon egg he got from Euron
Here are my findings today (page 85-110):
3 Queens=Margery, Cersei and Melisandre
Alleras was sent to Old Town by Doran to acquire dragon eggs for use in alliance with Dany
Alleras is just following Oberyn's footsteps and has no real plan
Alleras is investigating what the Maesters are up to...
The Maesters will side with the Others
Alleras isn't after a dragon egg but knowledge on how to train dragons which would be more useful to Dany...
Tarly will side with Aegon
Ser Barriston will die fighting the embodiment of Winter as no normal person left could defeat him
A lot of talk about a re-read thread...but it appears that thread died long ago
This thread is a lazy river that eventually runs into an 180ft waterfall on occasion
ASOIAF is a lazy river that eventually runs into a 180ft waterfall on occasion
Samwell's death will potentially be the most gut-wrenching in the series-can a man still be brave if he's afraid?
Something isn't IN Littlefinger's tapestries, but ON them
Bran will turn bad, but will redeem himself somehow
The Others=Creatures of the forest (...evolution? laying with giants?)
Brandon Stark received a letter from Lyana describing her and Rhaegars love but he either dismissed it as Rhaegar's writing or as a slap in the face to the Starks
Arya is the Volonqar-androgynous term (I so want Arya or Jamie to kill Cersei)
Varys lied to Aerys about Rhaegar's plotting to cause disruption in the seven kingdoms
Jon is a descendent of Bael the Bard
Jon is Arya's Nissa Nissa-Stick him with the pointy end
A dragon is sleeping beneath winterfell-source of warm water wells
There is a dragon egg near the wall that is white with red specks-referring to Jon's dragon?
There is a dragon inside the Wall and will wake when the horn blows and the wall falls fulfilling two prophecies/legends in one fell swoop
Who do you think the hooded man is belle? It really wouldn't surprise me if it is actually Theon suffering from an alternate personality.
ETA: Saintsfan has been awesome enough to provide this ongoing list for us
Pgs1-50
quote:
Hooded Man=Theon reflection of himself
Hooded Man=Benjen
Hooded Man=Blackfish
Hooded Man=Harwin
Hooded Man=Jon
Hooded Man=Mance
Weirwood paste is people
Benjen is alive and fighting a shadow war
Benjen is dead
Benjen is undead and leading the Others
R+L=J and Howland Reed is the only one alive who knows
Varys also knows R+L=J somehow
R+L=/=J
Jon=Azor Ahai and Dany=Nissa Nissa
Jon=Azor Ahai and Arya=Nissa Nissa (not Lannister-esque love, tho)
Rhaegar=Azor Ahai, Lyana=Nissa Nissa, and Jon=Lightbringer
Ned=shite swordsman
Aegon=Blackfyre=Mummer's Dragon
Aegon=Illyrio's son
Jon will end up with Val at the end
Jon is alive, but it was Melisandre who had him killed so he would be reborn as AA
Jon is dead but will warg into other animals a la Orell
Brienne will allow Jamie to kill her so that Jamie can live (trial by combat)
Jaime will allow Brienne to kill him so that she can live
Pretty Merris=Brienne?
Jamie will kill Cersei
Sandor will kill Robert Strong
Arya will wreck shite with Nymeria and her pack in tow
Dany will sail East to attack Westeros from the West
Blackfish will reveal Sansa's true identity at her wedding and will reveal Littlefingers role in her fathers death
Rickon is running a crew of Cannibals...lol
3 Dragon Riders=Jon, Tyrion and Dany
3 Dragon Riders=Aegon, Tyrion, and Dany
Bran will warg into Jon's dragon
Lady Dustin is anti-stark
Lady Dustin is pro-stark and just putting on a front
Varys=Targaryan
Varys=Blackfyre
Tryion=Targaryan
Bloodraven is the person/thing training Bran
Bloodraven warged into the Raven at castle black to save Jon from the wight and helped get him elected Lord Snow
Bloodraven is evil as hell and training Bran to become the Great Other that Melisandre foresaw
Bran was the one who warged into the Raven that got Bran elected
The lone wolf dies but the pack survives=the remaining starks will be reunited soon
Tysha is alive in Braavos and has Tyrion's daughter
CottonwasKing has an acreboyish attraction to Arya
The Others and the Children are fighting in league with each other against the Andal invaders
Rhaegar was planning to overthrow his father during/after Robert's Rebellion
Euron traded his dragon egg to the faceless man to kill Balon Greyjoy
Ned Stark did not kill Arthur Dayne-hence his son being nicknamed Ned...
Who wrote the letter to Jon? Theon, Ramsey, Roose, Mance, Jon writing to Mance who is acting as Jon, the 1989 Denver Broncos?
Hodor!!!
Too many baby swaps for mortals to comprehend
Pgs 50-84
Jaime gets his sword hand revived by Thoros; becomes a bad-arse duel wielder
Robb will be revived with Grey Wind's head...
Brienne is a descendent of Dunk
Hodor is a descendent of Dunk
Hodor is not a Dunk-kin, but he has Giant's blood
Nan was a wildling from beyond the wall-that's how she knows so much about the north
Nan and Dunk did a little wink wink nudge nudge
Gregor is headless
Gregor is a frankenstein with someone elses head
Gregor has Robb's head
Hooded Man=Hallis Mollen
Dany has the bloody flux and will die (Bluegrass' wish)
The wall will fall and the wildlings will flood the North (aren't they already on this side of the wall?)
Sam ends up as Maester of Nights Watch
Sam ends up as Maester in Kings Landing
Sam has the horn that can destroy the wall
Tons of speculation on who will rule what in the end
Sandor is the Valonqar-him killing Gregor causes Cersei's death
Sandor will beat Gregor but Cersei will escape somehow; Jaime will hunt her down and deliver the Kings justice
Littlefinger and Varys will ally to help Aegon
Littlefinger has the sword Blackfyre hidden in some tapestries
Jon=Night's King returned
Bran=Azor Ahai and will warg into a dragon (...ok)
R+L=J...but the R is Robert
Jaqen is in the Citadel and is trying to find out how to hatch the dragon egg he got from Euron
Here are my findings today (page 85-110):
3 Queens=Margery, Cersei and Melisandre
Alleras was sent to Old Town by Doran to acquire dragon eggs for use in alliance with Dany
Alleras is just following Oberyn's footsteps and has no real plan
Alleras is investigating what the Maesters are up to...
The Maesters will side with the Others
Alleras isn't after a dragon egg but knowledge on how to train dragons which would be more useful to Dany...
Tarly will side with Aegon
Ser Barriston will die fighting the embodiment of Winter as no normal person left could defeat him
A lot of talk about a re-read thread...but it appears that thread died long ago
This thread is a lazy river that eventually runs into an 180ft waterfall on occasion
ASOIAF is a lazy river that eventually runs into a 180ft waterfall on occasion
Samwell's death will potentially be the most gut-wrenching in the series-can a man still be brave if he's afraid?
Something isn't IN Littlefinger's tapestries, but ON them
Bran will turn bad, but will redeem himself somehow
The Others=Creatures of the forest (...evolution? laying with giants?)
Brandon Stark received a letter from Lyana describing her and Rhaegars love but he either dismissed it as Rhaegar's writing or as a slap in the face to the Starks
Arya is the Volonqar-androgynous term (I so want Arya or Jamie to kill Cersei)
Varys lied to Aerys about Rhaegar's plotting to cause disruption in the seven kingdoms
Jon is a descendent of Bael the Bard
Jon is Arya's Nissa Nissa-Stick him with the pointy end
A dragon is sleeping beneath winterfell-source of warm water wells
There is a dragon egg near the wall that is white with red specks-referring to Jon's dragon?
There is a dragon inside the Wall and will wake when the horn blows and the wall falls fulfilling two prophecies/legends in one fell swoop
This post was edited on 4/18/13 at 9:55 pm
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Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:10 pm to CottonWasKing
Damn, Theon aint dead? I thought they kilt his arse!
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:11 pm to CottonWasKing
I was going to start this if you didn't cause I'm itching to talk about it. 
RE: Theon and the Hooded Man
I think it's possible that it could be Theon seeing himself. But the one thing that doesn't past the smell test with that is the Hooded Man calls him a Kinslayer. We know that Theon didn't slay his "kin" Bran or Rickon.
So that leads me to believe the Hooded Man is either a Stark or Stark supporter. I'd throw my guess in that it could be Benjen Stark (I read somewhere that Martin debunked that he was Coldhands) since "A Stark Must Always be in Winterfell" and I think someone has entered through the crypts.
RE: Theon and the Hooded Man
I think it's possible that it could be Theon seeing himself. But the one thing that doesn't past the smell test with that is the Hooded Man calls him a Kinslayer. We know that Theon didn't slay his "kin" Bran or Rickon.
So that leads me to believe the Hooded Man is either a Stark or Stark supporter. I'd throw my guess in that it could be Benjen Stark (I read somewhere that Martin debunked that he was Coldhands) since "A Stark Must Always be in Winterfell" and I think someone has entered through the crypts.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:13 pm to Boudin
quote:
Damn, Theon aint dead? I thought they kilt his arse!
One of the POV chapters Martin read at one of the Cons for The Winds of Winter was a Theon chapter.
You can read it here...
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
I wish that I could bring myself to read the books, theyre just too frickin long.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
I think it's possible that it could be Theon seeing himself. But the one thing that doesn't past the smell test with that is the Hooded Man calls him a Kinslayer. We know that Theon didn't slay his "kin" Bran or Rickon.
Theon doesn't know what has happened to Bran and Rickon though. He has to assume that they are roaming around the North in the dead of winter. Its a pretty logical conclusion to think they are dead. Therefore he has to think in the back of his mind that he drove them from the safety of Winterfell and ultimately killed them.
quote:
I'd throw my guess in that it could be Benjen Stark (I read somewhere that Martin debunked that he was Coldhands) since "A Stark Must Always be in Winterfell" and I think someone has entered through the crypts.
My problem with Benjen is I believe he would've went to Castle Black first. He is far too loyal to break his oaths to the nights watch and that is exactly what he did if he is in fact in Winterfell.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:23 pm to Boudin
quote:
I wish that I could bring myself to read the books, theyre just too frickin long.
What in the frick are you doing in this thread then?
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:26 pm to CottonWasKing
Some of the other theories I've seen that's crazy and/or intriguing:
- The Weirwood paste that Bran eats to awaken his latent Weirwood seeing late in ADwD is actually made up of some of Jojen Reed. If you recall, Jojen is currently unable to be found and was pretty sick when they arrived at the caves. There's a lot of descriptions of the paste tasting like blood, looking veiny, and etc. I figure it either has parts of someone in it or is a representation that the Weirwoods are "alive".
Here's a pretty big thread on it:
LINK
- That Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen (pretty much gospel in most parts these days)
- That Jon will be Azor Ahai reborn.
- That Dany could potentially be Jon's Nissa Nissa when it's all said and done.
For those who are wondering WTF Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa are you can read here:
LINK
- The Weirwood paste that Bran eats to awaken his latent Weirwood seeing late in ADwD is actually made up of some of Jojen Reed. If you recall, Jojen is currently unable to be found and was pretty sick when they arrived at the caves. There's a lot of descriptions of the paste tasting like blood, looking veiny, and etc. I figure it either has parts of someone in it or is a representation that the Weirwoods are "alive".
Here's a pretty big thread on it:
LINK
- That Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen (pretty much gospel in most parts these days)
- That Jon will be Azor Ahai reborn.
- That Dany could potentially be Jon's Nissa Nissa when it's all said and done.
For those who are wondering WTF Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa are you can read here:
LINK
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:29 pm to CottonWasKing
Im curious man, love the story and I like to read but frick its hard to read a book after knowing whats going to happen.
Maybe I should pick up the third book but then that leads to issues itself.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:30 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:
- That Jon's parents are Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen (pretty much gospel in most parts these days)
- That Jon will be Azor Ahai reborn.
- That Dany could potentially be Jon's Nissa Nissa when it's all said and done.
For those who are wondering WTF Azor Ahai and Nissa Nissa are you can read here:
I believe in all of these.
quote:
- The Weirwood paste that Bran eats to awaken his latent Weirwood seeing late in ADwD is actually made up of some of Jojen Reed. If you recall, Jojen is currently unable to be found and was pretty sick when they arrived at the caves. There's a lot of descriptions of the paste tasting like blood, looking veiny, and etc. I figure it either has parts of someone in it or is a representation that the Weirwoods are "alive".
I haven't really read this one before but I believe that Bran has already eaten human flesh before. Remember when he had the green dream while he was with Cold hands then when he woke up Cold hands was cooking a meat that resembled pork? Yea those were the rangers that deserted and Cold hands killed.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:31 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:
Theon doesn't know what has happened to Bran and Rickon though. He has to assume that they are roaming around the North in the dead of winter. Its a pretty logical conclusion to think they are dead. Therefore he has to think in the back of his mind that he drove them from the safety of Winterfell and ultimately killed them.
True, but I don't think that necessarily would make him a kinslayer. Piece of shite human being? Yes.
quote:
My problem with Benjen is I believe he would've went to Castle Black first. He is far too loyal to break his oaths to the nights watch and that is exactly what he did if he is in fact in Winterfell.
It depends on how he was sent there. There's some speculation that it could've been by the way of the Children of the Forest. Remember, when he disappeared I don't think even Ned had died yet. A lot has happened since then, so there's no telling what he would do.
The Theon theory is cool too though.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:31 pm to BluegrassBelle
Whats a Nissa Nissa? Sounds sexual
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:31 pm to Boudin
quote:
Im curious man, love the story and I like to read but frick its hard to read a book after knowing whats going to happen.
Maybe I should pick up the third book but then that leads to issues itself.
Once you get into the intricacies of the story you won't mind knowing what happens already. I've read each of them twice and some 3 times.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:33 pm to CottonWasKing
Ive read the first 200 pages of Game of Thrones. Need to pick it up again.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:34 pm to Boudin
quote:
Whats a Nissa Nissa? Sounds sexual
Azor Ahai is a legendary figure from hundreds of years before the story starts. He originally fought and defeated The Others with a sword made of Fire called Lightbringer. When he forged Lightbringer he was forced to temper the blade by stabbing it through the heart of his wife and only love. His wife's name was Nissa Nissa.
There is a prophecy saying that AA will return and be reborn admist smoke and fire. We believe that Jon is AA and Dany is Nissa Nissa.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:35 pm to CottonWasKing
Ok, Ive read about that online but forgot about Nissa Nissa I guess
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 6:38 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:37 pm to Boudin
I've spent entirely too much of my time on this series
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:38 pm to CottonWasKing
I enjoy threads like these, since I no longer frequent Westeros and such forums I am not up to date with ADWD theories and such. Nor am I up to date with tWoW readings. That Jojen one in particular I found very interesting, but I'd tend to think it's the latter, that Weirwoods are alive.
All the other stuff I tend to ignore, you can only read so many opinions on hints on the same theory/idea till it just starts to annoy you
All the other stuff I tend to ignore, you can only read so many opinions on hints on the same theory/idea till it just starts to annoy you
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:38 pm to CottonWasKing
quote:
When he forged Lightbringer he was forced to temper the blade by stabbing it through the heart of his wife and only love
Did Martin explain why he was forced to do that?
Posted on 8/14/12 at 6:38 pm to Boudin
quote:
Did Martin explain why he was forced to do that?
Martin doesn't even really ever give proof that AA actually existed. He is just a legend. However the legend states that every time the AA attempted to temper the blade using normal techniques the blade shattered.
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