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re: CITIZENFOUR premieres on HBO tonight at 8\9pm
Posted on 2/24/15 at 6:46 am to SwaggerCopter
Posted on 2/24/15 at 6:46 am to SwaggerCopter
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I am ready to join a revolution over this. frick our government.
*looks around room and quietly scoots further away*
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Posted on 2/24/15 at 7:27 am to JBeam
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The part about your debit card & subwayID was chilling. Its the building blocks for trancing someone electronicly.
I wouldn't say it is exactly chilling. It makes sense and should be expected when you think about it.
Watch the PBS Frontline 2 part series The United States of Secrets. It gives a history of the domestic spying programs.
LINK
Posted on 2/24/15 at 7:37 am to illuminatic
if you edited out all the 30 second clips of dudes looking at a computer screen that have no talking, this movie would have been an hour long instead of 2 hours long.
This post was edited on 2/24/15 at 7:40 am
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:49 am to Old Money
Posted on 2/25/15 at 10:52 am to GetCocky11
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Watch the PBS Frontline 2 part series The United States of Secrets. It gives a history of the domestic spying programs.
LINK
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Should I watch the United States of Secrets before or after watching this one? I am interested in both.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:00 am to CocomoLSU
I'd watch United States of Secrets before Citizenfour. It'll give you a broader history on the spying program with interviews with a handful of whistleblowers.
I think Citizenfour focuses ONLY on Snowden, but I haven't watched it yet.
I think Citizenfour focuses ONLY on Snowden, but I haven't watched it yet.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 11:19 am to GetCocky11
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I think Citizenfour focuses ONLY on Snowden, but I haven't watched it yet.
I watched the first 1/3 last night and there is lots of non-Snowden stuff.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 1:47 pm to JBeam
Watched last night.
I have a sheet over my head as I type this
I have a sheet over my head as I type this
Posted on 2/25/15 at 1:56 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
I watched it last night and enjoyed the documentary.
One take away for me was Snowden as a narcisist. Did anyone else get this impression? He was often filmed worrying about his appearance. Also, he and GG discuss giving a big F-You to the government stating "we're not afraid of you" while sitting in a hotel room in Hong Kong.
I felt they both came off as self-indulgent, even if performing a useful public service.
One take away for me was Snowden as a narcisist. Did anyone else get this impression? He was often filmed worrying about his appearance. Also, he and GG discuss giving a big F-You to the government stating "we're not afraid of you" while sitting in a hotel room in Hong Kong.
I felt they both came off as self-indulgent, even if performing a useful public service.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 1:57 pm to GetCocky11
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I'd watch United States of Secrets before Citizenfour. It'll give you a broader history on the spying program with interviews with a handful of whistleblowers.
Word, that's what I was looking for.
I'll do that. Thanks.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 2:08 pm to Oenophile Brah
Yeah, he did seem a little narcissistic. But I imagine most people with his level of intelligence/work experience have that kind of personality.
I still think he did the right thing though.
ETA: His girlfriend is hot
I still think he did the right thing though.
ETA: His girlfriend is hot
This post was edited on 2/25/15 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 2/25/15 at 2:37 pm to Oenophile Brah
That was my initial reaction as well during the scene when he was fixing his hair and stuff. Then I thought about it and I think he was trying to change his appearance more than anything since it was right before he left the hotel for the first time since his interview had aired.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 2:39 pm to Oenophile Brah
I didn't get a narcissistic vibe from them. I think they were explaining how the government typically controls whistleblowers with the media. Whistleblowers typical stay unknown. Which gives the government a chance to call them cowards and attack the individual personally.
Snowden flipped that entire mindset on its head. His information wasnt some knee jerk reacation. Instead it was calculated and he wanted them to find him
Snowden flipped that entire mindset on its head. His information wasnt some knee jerk reacation. Instead it was calculated and he wanted them to find him
Posted on 2/25/15 at 3:01 pm to JBeam
I'll watch it again tonight, I was only casually following it last night.
Ok, this is partially what I'm saying. He said he wanted to be found, but he was hiding in Hong Kong. If he wanted to be found, he could have allowed GG and LP to leak all of the documents and then allowed the CIA scoop him up from his couch. Did he really want to be found, or did he want to be known?
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Snowden flipped that entire mindset on its head. His information wasnt some knee jerk reacation. Instead it was calculated and he wanted them to find him
Ok, this is partially what I'm saying. He said he wanted to be found, but he was hiding in Hong Kong. If he wanted to be found, he could have allowed GG and LP to leak all of the documents and then allowed the CIA scoop him up from his couch. Did he really want to be found, or did he want to be known?
Posted on 2/25/15 at 3:06 pm to Oenophile Brah
I really hope that isn't a serious a question about the CIA picking him up. In my opinion, he wasn't really "leaking" information. But letting the world know that "Yes, we're watching everything you say, text, email, search and read". He was seeking asylum in HK. I wouldn't call that hiding at all.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 3:06 pm to Oenophile Brah
He wanted the information to get out. Not necessarily "to be found".
Posted on 2/25/15 at 3:06 pm to Melvin
But he knew that it wouldn't take them long to figure out who had released the information.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 3:10 pm to Melvin
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He wanted the information to get out. Not necessarily "to be found
I agree that is his primary motivation, but he claims to be willing to accept responsibility yet seeks to avoid them.
As I stated, I'll watch it again tonight, but I seem to remember him stating he "wanted to be found". This is at odds with hiding in Hong Kong and seeking asylum in Russia.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 3:11 pm to JBeam
He said he didn't cover his tracks, and knew the likely outcome for him personally (treason charges). But he wanted the info out before the media got a hold of who he was so the story was focused on the data instead of him.
He didn't say he wanted to get caught, he said he expected to be discovered, but he's not just going to turn himself in to a CIA black site.
He didn't say he wanted to get caught, he said he expected to be discovered, but he's not just going to turn himself in to a CIA black site.
Posted on 2/25/15 at 3:20 pm to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Well yea, that would be incredibly stupid.
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