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re: Breaking Bad S5E14 9/15 "Ozymandias"
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:17 pm to St Augustine
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:17 pm to St Augustine
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My initial reaction is it fell just a little flat.
Let me see if I can come up with the proper emoticons...
Or maybe
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I feel like combining hank's death and the family meltdown into one episode cheapened both of them a little bit.
I can kind of understand, but in a "real life" timeline, this would be the case. shite would go down and it would happen fast. It has been a few seasons of the family coming apart with Skyler and her depressed self. Crazy drama happens quickly and before you know it, it's over.
Heisenberg left with Holly after being slashed by his wife, his son no longer trusts him, and he's already lost Hank and Marie as family as well.
Walt called Skyler back and left the baby with the FD.
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The nazis also don't seem worthy of being the show's final adversaries. They seem too generic to me.
Compared to a Tucco or Gus; yes. But those adversaries are gone and part of the process of Walt "taking over" was the help from these nutbags. And make no mistake, they are scary evil. No emotion. Seems like this could be a pretty good showdown with the overly emotional Walt. Heisenberg will win.
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Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:19 pm to St Augustine
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There what is?
Basically, you're the only person I have seen yet say "it fell flat" to perhaps the greatest hour in television history.
This post was edited on 9/16/13 at 10:20 pm
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:25 pm to Jayre
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Lydia and the Czech mafia will be the final adversaries...
I have been thinking that it would really just be the czech mafia. Las that we saw Lydia it seemed like she was putting a lot of pressure on Todd to up the purity of the cook because she was afraid of how her business partners would take it. I could be way off though. That's just how I was seeing it.
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:29 pm to Peazey
Not reading 63 pages, but has it been discussed that Skyler knew what Walt was up to on the phone call?
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:36 pm to LarryDavid
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his was Walter White's final gift to the four surviving people his hubris had destroyed before the Nazis show up to deal with Jesse's taped confession.
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That is a quote from the review link you posted. It's about the phone call. Great link by the way, but hmmm, that sentence is interesting.
I think that maybe the gift that is being referred to is that Walt put himself in a position to be fully vilified by his family. It is an actually selfless act for Walter after such a long period of being self centered and selfish. He destroys his image with the family so that they can fully separate themselves from him and let him go.
I think this is how it is because of how Walter started to cry when talking about taking care of Hank for crossing him. Walter didn't really think that about Hank. He actually cared for Hank, and that's why saying that was so emotional for him. He made that big deal about warning Skylar about crossing him because he wants her to hate him and stay away from him.
After taking the full step of actually getting one of his family killed, Walter has finally realized that he is the one that has been destroying his family. All of his attempts to help his family have left worse off. So he does the final step that he sees as protecting his family. He disappears, and removes himself from the equation.
Maybe this is how the series ends. Maybe Walter comes back to protect his family, and he redeems himself. Maybe he gets to go out as a hero for his family, what he was trying to be the whole time.
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:40 pm to dallastiger55
Ok I wasn't trying to go against the grain at all. I haven't even read this thread. I definitely don't feel like it was the greatest hour of television ever and it is probably my favorite show of all time. I think there have been numerous moments/episodes such as the garage episode or finale of s4 that were more interesting in terms of a single episode.
I feel that they rushed quite a few things in this one that led to each event being a bit less than it could've been.
-Walt telling jessie about his girlfriends death seemed almost like an afterthought after everything with the nazis and hank
-I feel like the reveal to Flynn was really rushed by Marie and skylar as was the quick turn by both skylar and Flynn. This could've carried an episode by itself.
-walts phone call was powerful but I thought he has had better monologues in the past.
Again wasn't trying to be a contrarian I just saw before the episode that it was called the best episode of the series and probably had a different expectation of what it would be. Chill the frick out.
I feel that they rushed quite a few things in this one that led to each event being a bit less than it could've been.
-Walt telling jessie about his girlfriends death seemed almost like an afterthought after everything with the nazis and hank
-I feel like the reveal to Flynn was really rushed by Marie and skylar as was the quick turn by both skylar and Flynn. This could've carried an episode by itself.
-walts phone call was powerful but I thought he has had better monologues in the past.
Again wasn't trying to be a contrarian I just saw before the episode that it was called the best episode of the series and probably had a different expectation of what it would be. Chill the frick out.
This post was edited on 9/16/13 at 10:56 pm
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:49 pm to Peazey
I think that maybe the gift that is being referred to is that Walt put himself in a position to be fully vilified by his family. It is an actually selfless act for Walter after such a long period of being self centered and selfish. He destroys his image with the family so that they can fully separate themselves from him and let him go.
I think this is how it is because of how Walter started to cry when talking about taking care of Hank for crossing him. Walter didn't really think that about Hank. He actually cared for Hank, and that's why saying that was so emotional for him. He made that big deal about warning Skylar about crossing him because he wants her to hate him and stay away from him.
After taking the full step of actually getting one of his family killed, Walter has finally realized that he is the one that has been destroying his family. All of his attempts to help his family have left worse off. So he does the final step that he sees as protecting his family. He disappears, and removes himself from the equation.
Can't put all of that in quotes on my phone but I like where you're coming from on this. He was definitely over the top with skylar in the call
I think this is how it is because of how Walter started to cry when talking about taking care of Hank for crossing him. Walter didn't really think that about Hank. He actually cared for Hank, and that's why saying that was so emotional for him. He made that big deal about warning Skylar about crossing him because he wants her to hate him and stay away from him.
After taking the full step of actually getting one of his family killed, Walter has finally realized that he is the one that has been destroying his family. All of his attempts to help his family have left worse off. So he does the final step that he sees as protecting his family. He disappears, and removes himself from the equation.
Can't put all of that in quotes on my phone but I like where you're coming from on this. He was definitely over the top with skylar in the call
This post was edited on 9/16/13 at 11:24 pm
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:51 pm to St Augustine
How did Walt no for sure that police were listening? Could he tell from Skylar's voice?
Posted on 9/16/13 at 10:58 pm to SwaggerCopter
Well Flynn called the cops and he took holly. He knew there would be follow through.
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:03 pm to SwaggerCopter
I was more than concerned going into this episode that I would be disappointed.... Holy shite was I wrong! Best episode yet!!!
I can't see it surpassing Sopranos status because IMHO the ending to the Sopranos was perfect. I get that it was confrontational and yadda yadda.... But to me it just made perfect sense. Regardless, depending on the way it wraps this has to be right up there in my top 3.
I can't see it surpassing Sopranos status because IMHO the ending to the Sopranos was perfect. I get that it was confrontational and yadda yadda.... But to me it just made perfect sense. Regardless, depending on the way it wraps this has to be right up there in my top 3.
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:05 pm to Signature
if it ends how i think it will, it will be above sopranos IMO
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:06 pm to SwaggerCopter
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How did Walt no for sure that police were listening? Could he tell from Skylar's voice?
He knew because he is not a retard.
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:11 pm to St Augustine
Great television. Walt telling Jesse about his girlfriend wasn't forced or rushed. It made sense. It was Walt's final jab at Jesse. Jesse, like Walt, cares deeply for the one's he loves. Telling Jesse he could have saved Jesse's girlfriend was like putting a poisoned barb in Jesse's chest and it will probably come back to haunt Walt.
Walt's final "gift" was certainly taking the blame for the whole of his actions. His phone call paints Skylar as the scared and abused wife of a killer rather than as complicit in Walt's machinations. Consequently, he probably just kept her out of prison and got her assigned to WitSec, which should protect her and the kids until he can somehow get them a message about where to find the money.
As a prediction, do you think Walt is going after the Nazis in the end (and in conjunction with the Nazis, Lydia and German/Czech mafia) for revenge or because they have Jesse's little boy... Kid... Whatever he is in some sort of final act of nobility?
Walt's final "gift" was certainly taking the blame for the whole of his actions. His phone call paints Skylar as the scared and abused wife of a killer rather than as complicit in Walt's machinations. Consequently, he probably just kept her out of prison and got her assigned to WitSec, which should protect her and the kids until he can somehow get them a message about where to find the money.
As a prediction, do you think Walt is going after the Nazis in the end (and in conjunction with the Nazis, Lydia and German/Czech mafia) for revenge or because they have Jesse's little boy... Kid... Whatever he is in some sort of final act of nobility?
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:16 pm to St Augustine
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-I feel like the reveal to Flynn was really rushed by Marie and skylar as was the quick turn by both skylar and Flynn. This could've carried an episode by itself
I agree somewhat, but this scene could have really bogged down the show. I think I prefer hitting quickly. The pace of the episode was so fast, I actually could identify with Walt's feeling of things spinning violently out of control. I thought the abruptness with which things happened and fell apart made the episode incredibly effective.
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-walts phone call was powerful but I thought he has had better monologues in the past
Well this was a dialogue and Cranston acted his dick off. It was one of the most complex scenes in TV history, at least as far as I can remember. So much subtext in it. Anna Gunn I think did a fantastic of realizing, very subtly and very carefully what Walt was doing
This post was edited on 9/16/13 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:17 pm to LoveThatMoney
I think he definitely goes after the nazis. I'm not sure Lydia people will be introducd. They have about 85 mins or so of show left. That would be a lot to include.
This post was edited on 9/16/13 at 11:20 pm
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:20 pm to Peazey
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He made that big deal about warning Skylar about crossing him because he wants her to hate him and stay away from him.
I don't agree. Watch the scene again. I think she realizes what he is doing and plays along. The way he talks on the phone is not his personality at all and Skylar realizes that.
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:42 pm to Carson123987
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if it ends how i think it will, it will be above sopranos IMO
You were money on your predictions last week. I hope you are right!
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:43 pm to St Augustine
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I think he definitely goes after the nazis. I'm not sure Lydia people will be introducd. They have about 85 mins or so of show left. That would be a lot to include.
Not really, IMO. They've set it up already pretty well. Lydia will certainly be involved in some fashion. The Czechs may not be, but Lydia will be. As will Saul.
But yeah, it's clear Skylar knows what Walt is doing on the phone. Anna Gunn's expressions are almost too subtle to see, but the hint of recognition plays across her face.
Posted on 9/16/13 at 11:58 pm to Carson123987
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if it ends how i think it will, it will be above sopranos IMO
Posted on 9/17/13 at 12:06 am to LoveThatMoney
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The Czechs may not be, but Lydia will be.
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