re: Big Brother Season 23 Thread - LIVE Premiere July 7th 8pm ET - CBS

Ky is gaming..... good for him

Ky is definitely gaming. I wasn't so sure about his chances after that first week, but this week he has shown me that he has a pretty good grasp of the game, and at least has a plan. He also seems to be a pretty good dude.

But I don't agree with him being willing to take a Cookout person over a person we would normally be more loyal to if it was solely based on the game, but that's just me.

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Looks like we'll have at least one showmance...

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"I mean we do look like we would go good together right?"

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Ehhh, maybe. I just think it was a strategic move. Her team is 4 strong. The team she would've went to is down to 3. Plus she would be making enemies by putting someone in danger/taking away their safety. I think it was the obvious choice to make, especially when Frenchie is on the way out. No real danger for her at all.

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That twist would have been awesome if Frenchie was actually on Ky's team and they wanted him out but he was protected for the week.
Then SB could have used it, Ky coulda put Frenchie up, all hell breaks loose. Woulda been one for the books!!

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but they aren't really in it for the Instagram likes.

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The only people I've heard talk about it are Christian and Alysaa. Christian said he hopes that this season and help from the BB people will help his modeling career. His agent is one of the judges on Top Model.. Alyssa said something about it in regards to kicking off her swimsuit line.

But it was in passing and I agree with you that everyone seems to be gaming and not coasting.

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Alyssa said something about it in regards to kicking off her swimsuit line.

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A couple of VERY long updates last night of Hannah and Tiffany breaking down the game and house, which Clare joined later.

Bottom line, these two and Claire are going to run through the house if one of their side wins HOH this week.


They agree Brent is the most dangerous guy and feel Alyssa is a huge threat because all of the guys like her and will get more attached the longer she stays in the house. She is also seen as the link between Brent/Whit and Christian/Xavier.


Brent, Alyssa, Christian, and Xavier appear to be their targets and those they see on the outside. Britni is also not part of their plans and will be used as a pawn any time one is needed.


We REALLY need a Brent HOH imo, but one of those others would work as well, although Xavier could be manipulated by the cookout so he is last on the wish list of HOHs imo.


They all say they’ve been impressed with Ky this week and he surprised them with how well he handled everything.


The real hope is that Derek X and Ky realize they are being used by these three girls and would 100% be in trouble as soon as the Brent/Whit/Alyssa group is out.

If X wins HOH he needs to really take a look at where he falls in that hierarchy or he’s going to play right into their hands.

Best case if he wins is probably Britni going home because he won’t target one of those three right now so at least it would take another girl out, DF would also be ok because he has said he’s threatened by him and it would remove a potential cookout vote if it comes down to that.

But he has to realize he is good with both sides right now and he should wait before choosing a side by putting up Brent/Alyssa/Whit/Chris, which is what I think they will want him to do.

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Claire joins the Hannah/Tiffany conversation. They tell Claire that they are discussing the possible HOH competition for next week. Tiffany asks Claire about how she feels about Alyssa. She explains to Claire her feelings on Alyssa, - Schadenfreude


Claire agrees with Hannah and Tiffany, telling them that Christian/Xavier/Alyssa are a potentially powerful trio that needs to be broken up. Claire thinks this fact makes Alyssa a good target. Hannah then goes on to layout the reasoning behind targeting Alyssa, Brent, and Whitney. She tells Claire how Brent is a stubborn, headstrong guy who would be hard to manipulate. Hannah mentions that she could not do anything about targeting Brent because of the teams but wouldn’t mind if he wound up going home if others made him a target. Claire seems to agree. Tiffany cuts in telling Claire that they can be trusted and that she loves Claire and Derek X. Hannah chimes in telling Claire that she would love to work with Claire’s team. Hannah then turns the discussion to Whitney, who she feels is less of a danger in the house without Brent’s presence; out of the two of them, Brent must go before Whitney. Tiffany brings up how close Alyssa is to them both and thinks the order of who to get out next should be Brent, Alyssa and then Whitney last. Hannah then says that she thinks Alyssa might have to be the first to go out of the three. Claire feels that if they decide to target Alyssa, they might as well target Christian at the same time because he wouldn’t go against Alyssa. Tiffany thinks the guys in the house would not want to get rid of Alyssa, but Claire feels the guys in the house wouldn’t want to lose another male, so Alyssa might very well get voted out. Tiffany then suggests putting Alyssa and Brent on the block together. Claire seems to think that might be a smart move. If Brent and Alyssa were on the block, Hannah feels her team would vote to keep Brent. So long as Ky, Tiffany and Claire vote to keep Brent, then Alyssa could be sent home. Hannah says she does not know what would happen if she were put up next to Alyssa, stating that she feels the guys are closer to Alyssa than her. Tiffany then tells Claire their theory that Alyssa is the connection that holds a lot of relationships in the house together and that by cutting that connection, it would make Brent and Whitney more vulnerable. They all agree that if Alyssa is put up, the only safe choice to go up next to her would be Brent (because the guys do not want to lose third guy). If Britini or Azah were put up, Alyssa would probably have the votes to stay.

Claire, Tiffany and Hannah all agree that this discussion has to stay between the three of them because none of the guys would be onboard with a plan to get out Alyssa. Claire then tells Tiffany and Hannah that Alyssa is smart, to which Tiffany agrees describing Alyssa as playing a smart game. Hannah doesn’t feel she could pull the trigger on Alyssa without hurting her game with her team, so Tiffany thinks it is going to be up to Claire or herself that is going to have initiate Alyssa going home. Claire and Tiffany think they will have to fabricate some piece of information they came across that would justify them targeting Alyssa. Hannah thinks with both the Aces and Queens votes, they could convince Azah and Britini to vote out Alyssa (according to Hannah, Britini has a thing for Christian so she would have no problem voting out Alyssa). They all think that by knocking Alyssa out, it would force the guys in the house to change up their game and latch on to new people (like Claire, Tiffany and Hannah). They go through the possible votes needed to get Alyssa out and think they have the numbers with their teams voting how they want along with Derek F and Azah (who Tiffany thinks she could persuade). Hannah feels that Claire would be the most ideal person to make this happen and has the least to lose because Claire does not have much of a relationship with Christian. Hannah then includes Azah and Derek F. as being the best people to initiate the plan to get rid of Alyssa because they do not have loyalty to her. Claire then says that her one concern is that she heard that Brent and Whitney have been mentioning her name (Hannah and Tiffany confirm this as true), but she has not heard anything about Alyssa mentioning Claire’s name. Claire feels that, for her game, it would be best to target Brent. Hannah suggests that Claire puts up Alyssa and Brent, and to state at the Nom Ceremony that Brent is her target and then say that she only was putting up Alyssa because she knows she would be a vote to keep Brent in the house. Claire doesn’t seem completely comfortable with this plan and asks Tiffany if Britini, Azah or Derek F would be willing to do this instead of her. They believe that the remainder of the Jokers would have no problem putting this plan into motion because they feel Frenchie planted a seed in their heads by exposing the Slaughterhouse, so they would have no problem going after Brent, Whitney, Alyssa and even Christian. Hannah says that she will throw the HOH if one of the Joker’s could win. Then Tiffany asks Claire if it would be OK to throw the HOH if it were between them two, putting the burden to carry out the plan on Claire’s shoulders. Tiffany then says that if she did have to win it, it wouldn’t be entirely bad because she would get to see pictures of her family.

Hannah feels now is the time to rip off the band-aid because the relationships Brent, Alyssa and Whitney have with other houseguests are only going to get stronger. Hannah feels that they have to separate personal feelings about them from gameplay and, right now, Alyssa is a smart choice to send home. They keep talking, but most of the talk is focused on how dangerous Alyssa is to their games and of her relationships with the rest of the houseguests

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So here is my take on that Tiff/Hannah/Claire conversation (this my be a little long):

The plan all week has been to nominate Brent and Whitney, with Brent being the main target. Alyssa and Christian have even been talked into targeting them if they win HOH (which they would prefer not to, but realize the majority of the house wants it so they will go along with it). Tiff told Hannah about the plan Monday night/Tuesday morning while they were in the bathroom getting ready for bed. This was the first time she was let in on the plan and was basically the last to know about it (Alyssa and Christian even knew about before her). Hannah basically agreed that it would be good for the house for Brent to go home, but since he was on her team she couldn't take the shot and it wasn't necessarily the best for her game, but she understood. During that convo, Tiff asked Hannah that if Brent and Whitney mentioned Tiff has a possible target, to try and lead them another way. Hannah told her how she plans on working those types of situations is to go along with their plan initially, but come back to them later saying that she had been thinking it over and just thought of something, and giving them counterpoints then as to why someone else would be a better target.

So now jump to last night. Tiff and Hannah were talking before Claire came up about the plan for next week. It started off as the same Brent & Whitney targets, but then Hannah starts making the "observations" that Alyssa is the linchpin that connects Brent, Whitney, Christian and Xavier. Then Claire comes over and you get the conversation that you posted. So while it was Tiff that brings up how close Alyssa is to the others, it was actually Hannah that had already put it in her head right before Claire walked up.

So my theory is that Hannah did exactly what she told Tiff she would do the night before if someone mentioned targeting someone she didn't want targeted. She agreed with her originally, and then came back to her later with "observations" she just made with counterpoints as to why another person would be a better target. Hannah has a vested interest in Brent staying over Alyssa. First off, Brent and Whitney are on her team and thus increases her chances of gaining safety for a week if either wins HOH. Secondly she knows that Brent is in to her and thus someone that won't target her, and someone she might be able to work with if she needs to. Now Hannah's first and only allegiance is to the cookout (she has made that very clear). But on a personal level Alyssa going is much better for her personal game over Brent going.

Again, that is just a theory of mine based on what I have observed of Hannah. And since the original plan of targeting Brent first has been in place since noms this week, Tiff and Claire could be running into dangerous territory if they try change the target to Alyssa, especially since Alyssa has already been let in on the Brent plan. Also while the Hannah/Tiff/Claire convo was happening, Alyssa, DerekX and Ky were going over the original plan and squashing any concern that DerekX has about throwing it to Alyssa or Christian, with Alyssa basically promising that they'd take the shot at Brent and Whitney. Alyssa then talks to Tiff and Claire about her conversation with DerekX and Ky, and tells them that she is 100% in on taking the shot at Brent. So if Tiff and Claire start trying to change the plan now, Alyssa and Christian will be pissed and might be able to blowup their game.

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Bamatab

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Oh damn, thanks for the clarification tab!


Like I said there were several LONG updates and I wasn’t able to go back through all of them so that gives a much better picture of everything at play.

Hannah misting fools!!


From what I can tell Ky (and DX by extension) also seems to really like Alyssa and Christian so yeah trying to move the target to her could backfire.

It’s really disappointing that Alyssa and Christian seemed ok with targeting Brent and Whit. As soon as they are gone those two are on an island and it’s just a matter of time until they aren’t useful anymore.


Brent REALLY needs to win this HOH if we want the gameplay to continue at this high level throughout the season imo.

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Hannah misting fools!!

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Again, that's just my current theory. Hannah could've honestly come to the Alyssa is more dangerous conclusion during that conversation with Tiff (and then Claire). But remembering what she had told Tiff the night before has me a little suspicious. I'm actually kind of surprised Tiff didn't remember what Hannah has told her the previous night.