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re: Big Brother 24- Season Long Thread- Spoilers
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:44 am to udtiger
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:44 am to udtiger
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While I am fairly certain Turner would be down as well, I seriously doubt Monte would be up for it.
Did Turner ever tell an experience where he had actual sex with a dude? Maybe I just missed it, but I can't recall him saying that he ever actually did have sex with a dude. I personally think he just claims to be bi-sexual because he's a liberal hippy, and he thinks it's a cool thing to be.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 9:23 am to habz007
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He said it …. Said what ????
He’s playing a fricking game and considering all possible game play and possible alliances.
If he would've never mentioned it again after the initial speculation none of this would've happened. He continued to pitch an all white alliance multiple times out of nothing but paranoia. Why on earth would Kyle trust Michael and Brittany over Monte and Joseph? He did a poor job of explaining himself but I don't feel bad for him. He's an idiot.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 10:42 am to illuminatic
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He continued to pitch an all white alliance multiple times out of nothing but paranoia.
2 times, he did it 2 times.
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Why on earth would Kyle trust Michael and Brittany over Monte and Joseph? He did a poor job of explaining himself
You are correct in a sense that he knew they were playing the middle and scheming, but he recognized that Monte and Joseph were the heartbeat of the Leftovers and was trying to recruit allies to go against them. This was when Monte and Joseph were heavily lobbying for Alissa to go home.
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If he would've never mentioned it again after the initial speculation none of this would've happened
Calling absolute bullshite on that. Michael and Britney had their nuclear option against him for when they felt their backs against the wall, and they used it. Same as Michael going after Turner with the gay thing when he was on the block.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:15 am to Bamatab
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but that was before Monte and Taylor had sex two nights in a row.
Oh wow. I didn’t realize they had relations… I thought they were just making out and stuff. Maybe stinky finger or something.. yeah if he’s had sex with her he’s prolly taking her to F2. Unless he’s playing her which he doesn’t seem that type but it would be a great game move lol
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:21 am to lionward2014
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he recognized that Monte and Joseph were the heartbeat of the Leftovers and was trying to recruit allies to go against them.
He was in the pound alliance with them which was loyal to him. It made no sense from a game perspective. We've given Kyle some slack by saying it was "a bad read". That shite was egregious. There is no logical reason for him to do what he did, period. There was only the surface level reason of "oh it happened last season and I see black people here."
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Calling absolute bullshite on that. Michael and Britney had their nuclear option against him for when they felt their backs against the wall, and they used it. Same as Michael going after Turner with the gay thing when he was on the block.
They didn't have a nuclear option against him until he pitched an all white alliance
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2 times, he did it 2 times.
Let's not forget he willingly admitted that his decisions were based on some sort of racial bias. Why would he agree to say that if he didn't mean it? No amount of money would make me say that shite on national TV if it wasn't true. He knew he wasn't winning the game. At that point, he was risking a few thousand dollars at most if he didn't play along and self evicted.
If he comes out of the house and starts saying he was pressured to say this shite, I'd be willing to hear him out. Until he says otherwise, I'll take his word for it.
I also want to make it clear that while I don't think Kyle is innocent, there was no malicious intent and he's just an idiot. Michael on the other hand, weaponized Kyle's ignorance and used it to his advantage. That makes him a piece of shite.
This is the last I'll comment on this because nobody is going to change their position so it's pointless.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/15/22 at 11:46 am to illuminatic
Taylor wouldn’t vote out Jasmine because she was a black woman. Where is Kyle so wrong? There was obviously biases and race affecting the game .
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:09 pm to CE Tiger
Last one. Lol
Taylor voted Jasmine out. She wouldn't nominate her, which I don't agree with that either. How does Taylor's random virtue signaling justify trying to dick over Monte and Joseph?
Taylor voted Jasmine out. She wouldn't nominate her, which I don't agree with that either. How does Taylor's random virtue signaling justify trying to dick over Monte and Joseph?
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:31 pm to illuminatic
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He was in the pound alliance with them which was loyal to him. It made no sense from a game perspective
False. After Pooch left Joseph was most loyal to Monte. They were both very loyal to Taylor. Turner was a middle guy but closer to those 3 than Michael and Britney and Kyle. They wanted him to use his veto to take out his showmance. That set off a huge red flag to him.
His pitch and idea of a Cookout was bad, but he was absolutely right to read his position in the Leftovers and prepare for the inter-Leftover war that was going to have to happen as the numbers lowered.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 12:51 pm to illuminatic
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Last one. Lol
Taylor voted Jasmine out. She wouldn't nominate her, which I don't agree with that either. How does Taylor's random virtue signaling justify trying to dick over Monte and Joseph?
Here is my 2 cents about the racial biases, not that it really matters. The woke/SJW segment of our society has built up the perception that biases (racial and otherwise) are some great evil that is unconscionable. But in reality, biases of all sorts are more likely an evolutionary trait (for a lack of a better term) that has kept groups of humans safe from being killed, enslaved, and/or wiped out by diseases (see native Americans) throughout the history of humanity. Are racial biases counterproductive to integrating western societies? Sure. But is it some great evil that only white people are capable of like the far left has drilled into the fabric of society, no. Monte even admitted to Kyle that in college he hung around black people because that is what he was comfortable with. And that sentiment plays out across all races, ethnicities, and nationalities all of the time. It's not some construct of the white western patriarchy, but rather an evolutionary response that has played out since the dawn of man.
Is Taylor's refusal to nominate Jasmine (who she new had been trashing her all game), or Monte wanting a final 2 with Ameerah because she was a strong black woman, really any better or worse from a biases standpoint than Kyle being paranoid about the POC gravitating towards one another at some point because he thought and stated that they had "more to play for" than him and Michael did? I personally don't think so.
Now do I think Kyle is an idiot for voicing it out loud for all of twitter, reddit, and the rest of the crazy social media to hear? I definitely do. All Kyle had to pitch was that Monte and Joseph are far closer to Indy, Jasmine & Terrence then Kyle, Michael and Brittany are to those three, and that might be a reason that Joseph and Monte are pushing Alyssa to leave before those others. And that it might be the more strategic move to make sure those others leave before Alyssa, and then they can possibly use Alyssa for the next phase of the game when the LOs go against each other just in case Joseph and Monte decide to do it first. But Kyle didn't, and of course twitter and reddit blew up and bombarded CBS/Paramount with complaints and threats, so production gave Michael and Brittany the heads up that they needed to backtrack from that. But in the end Kyle's actual goal wasn't to necessarily form an all white alliance for the purpose of having an all white alliance. His goal was really to form an alliance that he could pull Alyssa into, and still work with the players he felt he had been working the closest with in Michael, Brittany & Turner. It just so happened that the reason he felt closest to those people was because of his biases, which again most people have to some degree.
So with all that said, I don't personally see Kyle's biases as being any worse (or better) than Monte and Taylor's biases. Kyle just lacked the self-awareness and judgment to realize that what he was suggesting would blowup on social media because the biases of white people are treated very differently on those platforms than the biases of POC.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 1:01 pm to Bamatab
The fact remains that Michael orchestrated his own demise by playing the race card on Kyle. He should have just left noms the same and allow Brittany to go home.
He then wins the next HOH and can feel free to go after Turner or whoever and actually made a strong play... But instead he went after Terrance (a black man) who can't win anything. Even Terrance's win was just a loss in disguise.
He then wins the next HOH and can feel free to go after Turner or whoever and actually made a strong play... But instead he went after Terrance (a black man) who can't win anything. Even Terrance's win was just a loss in disguise.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:03 pm to ugastreaker
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Kyle's failure was panicking about being perceived as a racist rather than doubling down and calling it out for what it was.
You're forgetting the 2022 rule.
The only people allowed to talk about race are POCs. As a white man, Kyle isn't allowed. Makes no sense. But that is the 2022 rule.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:15 pm to Bamatab
Bamatab with the logical and common sense approach. Well done good sir!
Posted on 9/15/22 at 2:43 pm to illuminatic
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Let's not forget he willingly admitted that his decisions were based on some sort of racial bias. Why would he agree to say that if he didn't mean it? No amount of money would make me say that shite on national TV if it wasn't true.
He and pretty much the whole house seemed to be completely playing out the narrative given to them by production. The episodes right after and the "house meeting" seemed almost scripted. He was told he should admit guilt and then he can plead ignorance and say he is learning. That's exactly how it played out.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 4:18 pm to LaLadyinTx
On a game related note, it looks like Brittany will be voting to evict Taylor (who she has had a final two since like week 3 or 4) just because she got her feelings hurt that Monte, Taylor and Turner have been staying up late bonding while she decided to sleep early all week, and Turner is going to vote to evict Alyssa who told him she'd "take a bullet to the head" for him, while Taylor will cut him if she wins the final 4 veto. Heck, Turner just now reassured Alyssa once again that he'd give her a sympathy vote, but then talking to her as if she is already in jury.
I honestly don't know what either Turner or Brittany are thinking right now.
I honestly don't know what either Turner or Brittany are thinking right now.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 5:38 pm to Bamatab
Besides going back to the stone age to justify racial bias I don't see any difference between your conclusion and mine.
I think everyone is wrong in this situation. Kyle, Michael, Taylor, and Monte to an extent. That's been my position this whole time.
I do think you're being disingenuous here to help make your point or you only saw a clip of the conversation. Monte said this during their one on one discussion after the house meeting. He was telling the story of how he went to an all white High School and his experience there made him more comfortable hanging out with black people in college. I think it's important to hear the context of the statement within the conversation.
Monte talks about High School
I think everyone is wrong in this situation. Kyle, Michael, Taylor, and Monte to an extent. That's been my position this whole time.
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Monte even admitted to Kyle that in college he hung around black people because that is what he was comfortable with.
I do think you're being disingenuous here to help make your point or you only saw a clip of the conversation. Monte said this during their one on one discussion after the house meeting. He was telling the story of how he went to an all white High School and his experience there made him more comfortable hanging out with black people in college. I think it's important to hear the context of the statement within the conversation.
Monte talks about High School
Posted on 9/15/22 at 5:57 pm to Bamatab
Please let their be fireworks tonight and not the boring eviction of someone who has zero shot at winning
Posted on 9/15/22 at 6:51 pm to illuminatic
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I do think you're being disingenuous here to help make your point or you only saw a clip of the conversation. Monte said this during their one on one discussion after the house meeting. He was telling the story of how he went to an all white High School and his experience there made him more comfortable hanging out with black people in college. I think it's important to hear the context of the statement within the conversation.
I watched the conversation on the live feeds, and I don't think I was being disingenuous.
Monte stated that he went to schools that were of "very diverse" environments (I'm assuming inner city schools since evidently homework wasn't a requirement, but that may just be my own bias), where sports were a big part of his life, and implied he was comfortable there. Then he got into the "very prestigious white school" where he got hurt and couldn't play football anymore, and had a rough time because he felt everyone assumed that was why he was there, and he wasn't doing as well grade wise because he was at a school where he actually had to do homework. So I'm sure he was struggling with a bit of an identity crisis since he could no longer play football which was evidently very important to him up to that point, and had to focus on his education. Then he said he adapted socially, and learned more about "their" culture but felt no one wanted to know more about his culture. And that he no longer has the same relationships with his high school friends because of what he perceives as racial issues.
Ok valid, but he was at a mostly white high school, so of course the students there would focus on the culture that made up the majority of the school. It sounded like what was most likely a very prestigious private school where not only there were a majority of white kids, but also probably white kids that come from wealthy families. So it's human nature to focus on the culture that the vast majority of the people come from. If a white kid goes to a mostly black high school, I very seriously doubt the other kids are going to be asking to learn more about his white background. That's not how human nature works. The white kid is going to do everything he can to adapt to the black culture in order to fit in.
Then he quite literally said that when he got to college he hungout with people that looked like him because why? It was more comfortable. So him stating that he felt comfortable in his school years prior to attending the white prestigious school, and in college where he sought out and could be around "people that looked like him" is just conformation of his own biases regardless of how those biases formed. Just because he attributed his biases in college to his high school experience doesn't mean (a) that was the sole genesis of his biases, and (b) that they are any more or less valid than anyone else's biases. IMO biases are the result of human nature with life experiences added on top of it, and they exist in every human culture, race & nationality. But I really don't think I am being disingenuous because I stated that he was more comfortable being around other black people in college when that is almost exactly what he said regardless of what he attributed those biases to.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:34 pm to Bamatab
Like I said, horrible decision by both Turner and Brittany, but more horrible for Turner.
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:36 pm to Bamatab
Turner really dumb move voting out Alyssa. Think that seals his fate unless he wins out.
This post was edited on 9/15/22 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 9/15/22 at 8:38 pm to lionward2014
Turner really is a dumbass.
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