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re: Big Brother 19 - Season Long Thread
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:22 am to jefforize
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:22 am to jefforize
stolen from reddit but this is pretty funny:
Paul's love for It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has made me realize that he's lowkey using the D.E.N.N.I.S. system on these people.
D - Demonstrate value - Since the beginning, he has been [constantly] using his status of being a vet to give the HGs something the others can't (game advice through experience).
E - Engage physically - This is the boning stage, but more importantly, it's the stage Dennis seals the deal and establishes an intimate relationship with his victims before he toys with them. Instead of an intimate relationship, I think Paul used this step to establish game relationships with everyone by relentlessly thrusting unsolicited game advice inside each and every one of them.
N - Nurture Dependence - In the show, the way Dennis accomplishes this step is by doing something to distress his victims (slashing their tires, calling their homes pretending to be a murderer, etc), so that his victim will turn to him for comfort.
Paul does this in two ways: 1) he nurtures cracks in his alliance to make them distrust each other, and in turn trust him, and 2) he keeps the other players from getting too close to each other so that they'll rely on him. He does this by discouraging his allies to talk to targets, he has the tendency to advise person A that they shouldn't have conversations with person B, and at times encourages people to burn bridges entirely (advised Josh to antagonize Mark/Cody/Jess, eventually got Mark to give Dom the silent treatment, and currently trying to get Elena to get into a public fight with Mark). By hindering/preventing interactions throughout the house, he's making sure that all information and game talk is funneled through him because they all depend on him so much.
N - Neglect Emotionally - After nurturing the cracks enough, he begins to throw them under the bus. (Dom/Mark/Elena) He uses this step to push people out of the alliance and on to the block.
I - Inspire Hope - Immediately after throwing them UTB, he pulls them aside, alerts them that they're on radars, and tries to make them think that he has their back by giving them more advice on how to get out of it. (Mark and Elena are here)
S - Separate entirely - Eviction. (Dom is here).
Paul's love for It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia has made me realize that he's lowkey using the D.E.N.N.I.S. system on these people.
D - Demonstrate value - Since the beginning, he has been [constantly] using his status of being a vet to give the HGs something the others can't (game advice through experience).
E - Engage physically - This is the boning stage, but more importantly, it's the stage Dennis seals the deal and establishes an intimate relationship with his victims before he toys with them. Instead of an intimate relationship, I think Paul used this step to establish game relationships with everyone by relentlessly thrusting unsolicited game advice inside each and every one of them.
N - Nurture Dependence - In the show, the way Dennis accomplishes this step is by doing something to distress his victims (slashing their tires, calling their homes pretending to be a murderer, etc), so that his victim will turn to him for comfort.
Paul does this in two ways: 1) he nurtures cracks in his alliance to make them distrust each other, and in turn trust him, and 2) he keeps the other players from getting too close to each other so that they'll rely on him. He does this by discouraging his allies to talk to targets, he has the tendency to advise person A that they shouldn't have conversations with person B, and at times encourages people to burn bridges entirely (advised Josh to antagonize Mark/Cody/Jess, eventually got Mark to give Dom the silent treatment, and currently trying to get Elena to get into a public fight with Mark). By hindering/preventing interactions throughout the house, he's making sure that all information and game talk is funneled through him because they all depend on him so much.
N - Neglect Emotionally - After nurturing the cracks enough, he begins to throw them under the bus. (Dom/Mark/Elena) He uses this step to push people out of the alliance and on to the block.
I - Inspire Hope - Immediately after throwing them UTB, he pulls them aside, alerts them that they're on radars, and tries to make them think that he has their back by giving them more advice on how to get out of it. (Mark and Elena are here)
S - Separate entirely - Eviction. (Dom is here).
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:23 am to WG_Dawg
maybe so but I'd imagine if that's not how he is in real life, he'd have changed his tune when he got back in the house.
He's not very bright and sucks at reading people. Being able to read people is necessary to be a good salesman. He may just not be a good one and that's why he's on the show.
He's not very bright and sucks at reading people. Being able to read people is necessary to be a good salesman. He may just not be a good one and that's why he's on the show.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:59 am to Wolf
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Wouldn't have worked. Jess hates Alex and Alex knows that. Jess is way too self involved to get past that.
Yeah, that's true. It's just frustrating watching all these damn pussies let Paul run the show and not even really trying to put together some kind of plan once they get Cody and Jess out.
They're all going to evict them, and stand around holding their nuts wondering what now, and they're going to say frick it, let's let Paul win HoH... Then all he'll do is reset his outlook, cherry pick who he wants to work with, and go that route until it's down to the end.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:59 am to redfieldk717
Why are houseguest so perceptive once they leave the house. Ramses was a damn oracle with Julie. It's like they know Paul is running the game and none of them are resisting. Playing these idiots like a fiddle.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:07 am to Prettyboy Floyd
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It's like they know Paul is running the game and none of them are resisting
Looking at their side of things I can at least KINDA understand where they're coming from. People like ramses, josh, etc know deep down (whether they outwardly say it or not) that they aren't capable of rising to the top and dominating and leading a house. There's only a very small select few each year that are actually capable of that. So although these people surely aren't stupid enough to be oblivious to paul's ways, what other choice do they have? They can either float down the middle (a gamble) or attach themselves to strong players in order to coast for a while. So basically ramses had the option of picking being buddy-buddy with paul's group with large numbers, or joining Jody where it's basically the whole house vs. those 2.
What I don't get is in a season like 15 where the entire house just did amanda's bidding. At least you can argue paul is somewhat likeable (debtable) but he's a vet and is a good person to latch onto. Amanda was nothing other than mean, so I don't understand why the entire house didn't just align against her.
What I don't get about this year's cast is why these people don't try to form multiple house factions. Let's say the house gets their way and cody adn jess are the next 2 to go...ok then what? Apparently teh house isn't please with mark and elena, so let's say those 2 are next. Ok..then what? You have this big buddy-buddy group of superfriends that are now just going to eat away at themselves. I woudl love to see mark adn elena truly join forces with Jody and maybe pick up a random along the way and have a TRUE 2-sided house goign against each other. It would be so much more entertaining and would give more people an actual shot at doing somethign noteworthy, IMO.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:17 am to WG_Dawg
Paul has such a control over them, Ramses probably knew if he tried to form something against him, someone would tell Paul and that would make him a target. Ramses was just a terrible pick for this show, and it seemed like he had realized that in Julie's interview.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:39 am to The Spleen
I can't remember what episode this week it was(I was on vacation and had to catch everything up yesterday) but what disgusts me was when Paul was in a room with Matt and Raven and told them to get in the bed and they just obeyed and didn't say anything and were like "yes master. How can I serve you?" Or even during the HOH comp, he sent word through Elena to tell Josh to say something (I can't remember what) to Jess or Cody and he did it. No questions asked.
I can't stand that all of these people just do what he says without standing up for themselves. I think that is why I root for Jess and Cody because I'm hoping somehow they can break up that alliance. I can't wait to see what that side will do once Paul is gone.
I can't stand that all of these people just do what he says without standing up for themselves. I think that is why I root for Jess and Cody because I'm hoping somehow they can break up that alliance. I can't wait to see what that side will do once Paul is gone.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:41 am to WG_Dawg
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People like ramses, josh, etc know deep down (whether they outwardly say it or not) that they aren't capable of rising to the top and dominating and leading a house. There's only a very small select few each year that are actually capable of that.
This is some serious truth.
I think that affects a lot of people once the bullets start flying so to speak.
I mean, in all seriousness, what was Ramses supposed to do. He is a zero and had to know it. You kind of have to just play along and hope bigger targets emerge to keep the spotlight off of you.
Had Paul not been so hellbent on asserting himself over Jody, he would have floated a bit longer, maybe won an HOH or veto, until the big group splintered. That's really all a lot of people can hope for.
Even a guy like Jason can't seem to gain any real power other than just being happy to hang on with Alex, although she has already bumped Paul above him in her alliance order, and pretty much told him that too.
I think he thought they were ride or die but ultimately what can he do?? He could have tried to talk Kevin into sticking with Jody's plan to evict Josh but honestly I think he knows Kevin is all over the place and couldn't tell if it would blow up on him.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:47 am to JFord5
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what disgusts me was when Paul was in a room with Matt and Raven and told them to get in the bed and they just obeyed and didn't say anything and were like "yes master. How can I serve you?"
Yeah the worst was after Dom's talk show. Paul went right upstairs with Mark and Matt and was like "What the frick was she thinking?? That was some shady shite" and both of them were like whatever dude it wasn't a big deal we have all the votes anyway.
He kept fuming away about with them trying to calm him down, then a few minutes later she came in and he was like "Look, you need to be careful. That really upset everyone and they are all just too scared to say anything to you but I'm not"
she was like who was upset? Paul said I'm not naming names but just trust me. Dom loooked at him like well obviously you're talking to these two, and Matt on cue was like "Yeah I was definitely uncomfortable with it"
and from that moment on, Dom was excommunicado. She was done.
Do something that Paul doesn't like, these sheep just bow down and say yeah sure Paul I'll turn on my alliance member to help you. No prob.
They destroyed Cody the week before for DARING to put up Xmas who wasn't even in their alliance. But annoy Paul, your solid ally ride or die is out.
Again, idiots.
This post was edited on 7/29/17 at 7:19 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:51 am to JFord5
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I can't stand that all of these people just do what he says without standing up for themselves. I think that is why I root for Jess and Cody because I'm hoping somehow they can break up that alliance.
No doubt. That's where I'm at with all of this. I mean, Jess and Cody really aren't all that likable, but at least they have a purpose and want to compete.
I also agree about when he told them to get in bed. Wtf?
For all of Cody's faults and just general awkwardness, he nailed it in his post eviction interview when he talked about how much the house just fawns over Paul and nobody really points out that they're doing it.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:53 am to prostyleoffensetime
When he called them groupies to Julie and said they all just sit around saying "Tell us another story Paul!" I legit lol'd 
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:53 am to Tiger Voodoo
I don't watch the feeds, but Paul's damage control last night right at the end of the live broadcast kind of pissed me off. Surely Cody and Jess saw through it how quickly he ran to them to start working them in front of everyone, then said he'd talk to them privately. Like he didn't want everyone he convinced to vote Ramses out knowing he was going to downplay his involvement. But I don't think any of them picked up on it.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:54 am to The Spleen
Yeah that was absurd
Posted on 7/28/17 at 11:55 am to Happygilmore
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they get to decide if they want to compete or not. winner is safe for the week, last place in the competition gets put as a third nominee.
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It is called the Temptation Competition. And, for the next 3 weeks, before nominations, the houseguests will be tempted to participate in this challenge. And, for the first time in Big Brother history, the houseguests will get to choose whether or not they want to compete. The winner of this competition will be safe for the week. But, like all temptations, participating comes with a consequence. The houseguest who finishes last will automatically go on the block as a 3rd nominee. Tune in Sunday when the Temptation Competition is revealed to the houseguests and watch it all play out.
Ok. That makes more sense. So just don't finish last. This will definitely make things interesting.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:07 pm to The Spleen
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But I don't think any of them picked up on it.
Well of course not.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:16 pm to LSU6262
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And, for the first time in Big Brother history
I feel like this phrase is used multiple times every season.
I'm 100% sure it wouldn't be as entertaining to the casual viewer, and to be honest might even be fairly boring at times, but I just want to see a season with zero twists, zero turns, nothing. Just take 16 random joes off the street (no vets, no siblings of vets, no one looking to beef up their model portfolio, just truly random people), throw em in the house, and STFU and let them gameplay. No costumes, no special trips out of the house to friggin cowboys mini-camp, no ariana grande concerts. Only comps are HOH and veto adn taht's it. The entire rest of the time is scheming and plotting and playing the friggin game.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:29 pm to LSU6262
So who do we think will play in this week's Temptation Comp? I would guess that Mark and Elena definitely will want to play, but does Jess and Cody decided to give it a shot to try and save the hex? And if Jess & Cody do decide to play in it, does Mark and Elena just say screw it, there's no sense in trying to compete against those two? I'm not sure why anyone else in the house would even want to risk it this week since the targets are pretty clear. Should be interesting to see who ends up playing in it this week.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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I'm 100% sure it wouldn't be as entertaining to the casual viewer, and to be honest might even be fairly boring at times, but I just want to see a season with zero twists, zero turns, nothing. Just take 16 random joes off the street (no vets, no siblings of vets, no one looking to beef up their model portfolio, just truly random people), throw em in the house, and STFU and let them gameplay. No costumes, no special trips out of the house to friggin cowboys mini-camp, no ariana grande concerts. Only comps are HOH and veto adn taht's it. The entire rest of the time is scheming and plotting and playing the friggin game.
I'm with you but, as you know, none of this will happen.
That's why we need more all-star seasons. We've had enough seasons since the last one to have a really solid cast of alpha's that will all want the spotlight. Will all want to be regarded in the same context as Will and Dan.
And Cody need's to be the first one cast. I'd kill to see how he'd do in a house that's victim noise free.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:31 pm to Murray
when was the last true all stars? Right around the time I first started watching BB they had a season with like half vets and half noobs. Then I think a year or 2 later they had 4 vets be "coaches" (stupid) who then to the surprise of absolutely nobody became actual players.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 12:32 pm to Bamatab
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So who do we think will play in this week's Temptation Comp?
Seem's like Cody would try but not both. If both, then one is definitely going on the block and they'll be forced to use the hex.
I don't think it matters anyway. Cody and Jessica don't seem to be having much luck getting numbers. Maybe that'll change this week.
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