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re: Better Call Saul Season 2 Finale: "Klick"

Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:15 pm to
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:15 pm to
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interesting interview with vince gilligan

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VF Hollywood: So were we meant to assume that it was Gus who left that note for Mike [Jonathan Banks] on the windshield in the finale?

Peter Gould: We were hoping it would be more of an open question at this point. We had this—to us—this very bright idea of encoding the words “Fring’s Back” in the episode titles. We worked very hard; more than that, the folks in our office, Jenn Carroll and Ariel Levine, worked very, very hard trying to help us figure that out. And we thought we’d be revealing it maybe sometime over the summer. I guess we really underestimated the genius and hard work of our fans.

Vince Gilligan: And their attention to detail, and God bless them for it.

Gould: It’s hard to complain about people paying attention to every aspect of the show. It certainly reminds us again that we better keep all our i’s dotted and our t’s crossed in every aspect of the show.

Gilligan: So back to your question. In a perfect world, in our mind’s eye, the way this would have worked is people would have said, “Oh, man, who left that note?” And then weeks or months from now Peter would have tweeted out, “Hey, look for a clue,” and people would have said, “Oh, was that Fring?” Having said all of that, that doesn’t mean people should assume Fring put that thing on the windshield with his own hand. As we know from Breaking Bad, Gus Fring is a man of great resources and is very much a long-term planner and he has some very skilled and cold-blooded folks working for him. It could have been through Gus Fring’s agency but not him personally.

And furthermore, just because Fring’s back—technically speaking, if not literally—it doesn’t mean that folks should assume that they’ll see him at the beginning of Season 3. This is a character who is very circumspect. Very cautious. He does not reveal himself easily. He makes people work to get to him as we saw him make Walter White work very hard and jump through a great many hoops to get to face-to-face with him in Breaking Bad.

I don’t think anyone should assume that he’ll move in next door to Mike and borrow a cup of sugar. He’s going to stay Gus Fring, arguably the most brilliant person ever to appear on either show.
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 3:20 pm to
Well that's as fappable as anything I've read on here.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 5:51 pm to
sorta meh on the finale, but it was about as good as it could have been.

There's plenty of questions for them to answer in the next season and we get the patented flipping of the good/bad aspects of the characters.

One thing that didn't exactly jive was Jimmy leaving clients sitting in his office to confront Chuck on his retirement from HHM. If he was set on going off to do his thing his way he would not have cared a bit if his brother quit HHM. Chuck retiring would only remove a life roadblock and after his latest health issue, retirement would sensibly allow him a better environment to get over his condition and not have the stress of being looked at as having gone cuckoo.

I just don't buy the ease of eliciting Jimmmy's confession, to protect the self-granduer self-confidence of a pompous a-hole elitist brother who he knows (from Ernesto telling him) is hell-bent on exposing him and proving he committed a crime to help his girlfriend win back an account.

Slippin' Jimmy was really slipping there and he didn't have anything to gain by making the admition. He knows his brother's respect (what he really craved) is not an option on the table in any realm of possibility. He may have guilt from not being there when their mother died and has some determination to not allow that to happen again w/ his brother. However, Jimmy has "been done" with Chuck before and who knows maybe he feels responsible for the latest incident but it's still not enough to come clean and continue to put his brother's life ahead of his own.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 4/19/16 at 6:26 pm to
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I just don't buy the ease of eliciting Jimmmy's confession, to protect the self-granduer self-confidence of a pompous a-hole elitist brother who he knows (from Ernesto telling him) is hell-bent on exposing him and proving he committed a crime to help his girlfriend win back an account.

Slippin' Jimmy was really slipping there and he didn't have anything to gain by making the admition. He knows his brother's respect (what he really craved) is not an option on the table in any realm of possibility. He may have guilt from not being there when their mother died and has some determination to not allow that to happen again w/ his brother. However, Jimmy has "been done" with Chuck before and who knows maybe he feels responsible for the latest incident but it's still not enough to come clean and continue to put his brother's life ahead of his own.


He clearly has an unconditional love for his brother, and hates seeing him hurt. Have they not made that crystal clear?
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 12:10 am to
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Sucks we have to wait another year to get some answers.


Yep. I'm getting sick of these 10-13 episodes per season series where the wait is a year.
Posted by Murray
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 4:02 am to
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He clearly has an unconditional love for his brother, and hates seeing him hurt. Have they not made that crystal clear?


Exactly. Why do you think he ran into the copy shop after a few seconds when he saw that noone was calling 911? Why will he not have Chuck committed no matter what? Jimmy's not going to let his brother stop doing what he loves if he can help it.
Posted by tidalmouse
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 5:50 am to
Saul can put Jesse Pinkman on the stand.But Jesse has a Krameresque moment from all the abuse he went through.All he can say is 'Heisenburg".

Nope.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 6:57 am to
I'm curious what the wiretap law is in NM. I wonder if he can even use the tape without letting Jimmy know he was being taped.
Posted by auisssa
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 6:57 am to
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haven't signed Giancarlo Esposito onto the show (which I'm guessing has very recently occurred


Great way to negotiate from a position of weekness. I'd love to be Giancarlo's agent for this round.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 7:03 am
Posted by Twenty 49
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 7:38 am to
"Better Call Saul Is Better Than Breaking Bad"

Headline on a Slate piece. LINK

quote:

Better Call Saul should be doing more than fine, because it is already better than Breaking Bad, and thus has a shot—if it stays this good—at being one of the best television shows ever made. Better Call Saul takes the style that made Breaking Bad distinctive—the astonishing cinematography, dark comedy, and brashly confident pacing—and elevates it by applying it with more beauty, subtlety, and moral sophistication. And yet the spinoff has less buzz than the original. That’s criminal.


Both shows are more smartly written and better looking than 90%+ of shows on TV. I love both.
Posted by musick
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 7:42 am to
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And yet the spinoff has less buzz than the original. That’s criminal.


To be fair BB wasnt exactly subtle to announce what it was (high action, drug dealing, crime drama) The opening scene is Walt's pants flying in the air and Walt frantically driving an RV in a gas mask and underwear with a passed out passenger (after he just killed a guy and messed up another)

Even with that, BB didn't blossom until around Season 3-4 when it became a juggernaut (interesting enough when Gus enters the scene)

BCS still has a lot of ground to make up to get there. It's a different show entirely. I love it.
Posted by htownjeep
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Member since Jun 2005
7799 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:12 am to
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BCS still has a lot of ground to make up to get there.
I don't think that statement holds as much water after this latest season. I won't sit here and champion that BCS is better than or equal to BB, but I'm not going to say it isn't reaching that level either. And I certainly wouldn't say it has a lot of ground to make up to get there.
Posted by SnoopALoop
Nashville
Member since Apr 2014
4540 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:19 am to
I f*cking love BCS and I feel it's extremely underrated right now. Breaking Bad didn't start winning Emmy's until when? Seasons 4 and 5?

This would be the ultimate binge watch if you started after it was all done with. We're just going through the pain of the week-to-week struggles along with the 12 month break.
Posted by Jay Quest
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:19 am to
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I'm curious what the wiretap law is in NM

It's unlawful to record a telephone conversation without both parties knowing it's being recorded. It's legal to record an in-person conversation without informing the other person they are being recorded
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:28 am to
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I'm curious what the wiretap law is in NM. I wonder if he can even use the tape without letting Jimmy know he was being taped.


I promise you that Chuck knows the law, whatever it is.
Posted by SnoopALoop
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Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:44 am to
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I promise you that Chuck knows the law, whatever it is.


Michael McKean has done a phenomenal job in S2 as Chuck. I have to give that man his props! We all hate him with a passion, but

I'm pretty sure Jimmy will not be disbarred because there's no way he'd be able to simply just change his name to Saul Goodman and still practice in New Mexico. So how will it go down?
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:45 am to
Gus was the one who left the horn blowing and "Don't"
Posted by SnoopALoop
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Posted on 4/20/16 at 8:58 am to
I'm about 99% sure Gus was not the one to leave the note there; however, someone in his camp may be responsible. I just don't see Gus putting himself out there being out in the open and vulnerable. Doesn't add up to Gus' character. But he's definitely got a part in it.
Posted by 0
Member since Aug 2011
17850 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:01 am to
Chuck might use the tape as blackmail to make him change his name. So he cannot muddy the Mcgill name any further.
Posted by 0
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17850 posts
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:02 am to
Breaking Bad Gus wouldn't leave the note but this would be before his empire was started right? He might take a few more risks this early on.
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