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re: Best explaination of TDKR
Posted on 4/21/13 at 7:51 am to DelU249
Posted on 4/21/13 at 7:51 am to DelU249
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Freddy got fingered set out to be a silly stupid and gross movie
Freddie got fingered > TDKR
This is oversimplifying. It doesn't MAKE a great film all by itself, but...
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I don't give a shite about the aspirations of the director.
Is really the wrong way to go about it too.
It does MATTER what the director is TRYING to do. Because they succeed or don't succeed is important to HOW you judge the film.
Look at something like Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail. How can you judge that movie fairly? It is terrible, from all film standpoints. So you have to adjust your viewing and expectations to that of the artists and what they are attempting.
Evaluating the Avengers as an Oscar worthy work of auteur, grounded in reality, is probably the wrong way to look at the film. You can't force your look on the movie and then say it didn't meet YOUR expectations. That's not the point of evaluation really or discussion about art.
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Posted on 4/21/13 at 7:57 am to Freauxzen
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The "court" scene in TDKR was cheesier, worse, more ridiculous, more annoying, and way more implausible than anything in the Avengers.
You've managed to post something that is wrong on every level. Congratulations.
I won't even touch the "implausible" line as that's clearly a ludicrous statement to any sane person.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 8:26 am to Tom288
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You've managed to post something that is wrong on every level. Congratulations.
I won't even touch the "implausible" line as that's clearly a ludicrous statement to any sane person.
You are welcome.
Please explain to me the necessity of such a scene? The strange shift in camera angles? The terrible dialog?
It was jarring and out of place.
You do realize I mean that in relation to its intentions right? Whereas the Avengers can get away with not taking itself too seriously, TDKR just can't. It isn't set up that way and was wildly out of place.
This post was edited on 4/21/13 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/21/13 at 8:38 am to DelU249
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I totally get why some people don't like it until they tell me they loved the avengers. The element of practicality is missing
This has been a lot of my beef around here lately...
We should people like TDKR? Then, why, if they don't, shouldn't they like Avengers?
This is somewhat ridiculous in saying that they "just can't like X movie" for one reason or another? Why shouldn't we like it?
Also, and for the record, when it comes to TDKR and The Avengers, neither is a particularly good film, but the Avengers is a much better movie, if that makes any sense.
I still see that, with this film and a few others, too many people have bought into the cult of the ultra-serious and deep, and are approaching every single movie with that in mind. Maybe it's still post-9/11 pop cultural mindsets, but good lord lighten up Francis.
There's too much Paul Haggis flying around here (see John Carter discussions).
And while Man of Steel looks brilliant, I fear this will only continue.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 8:43 am to Freauxzen
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Look at something like Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail. How can you judge that movie fairly? It is terrible, from all film standpoints.
So writing and dialogue aren't standpoints of film?
Posted on 4/21/13 at 8:47 am to Antonio Moss
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So writing and dialogue aren't standpoints of film?
"all film standpoints"
I'm probably one of the biggest fans of that film, so don't take that slight as knocking it.
I mean from SOME standpoints the film is awful. Bad editing. Bad dialog. Bad costumes. The list goes on and on and on...
(Plus, read the dialog without delivery, it makes less sense. I mean, I'm not sure as a culture if we can, but try)
But that IS the brilliance of the film, all of those pieces make an extremely unique and wonderful movie experience. Therefore, you can't judge all films the same, that's all.
And if we were to judge it next to The Dark Knight, well, it makes it look like a kindergarten project. And although there are similarities in the Avengers and TDKR, they are vastly different films with different intentions and different goals to reach. That's all people were saying.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 10:29 am to Freauxzen
Because every complaint valid and invalid of TDKR is a complaint I have with the avengers
Posted on 4/21/13 at 10:39 am to DelU249
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Freddy got fingered set out to be a silly stupid and gross movie
Freddie got fingered > TDKR
Where have I heard this argument before?
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:06 am to DelU249
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BTW, I do believe that the avengers directly ripped this off from TDK as did skyfall. "hey that was cool, let me put that into my bigger and better superhero movie"
Yeah, because TDK and the great Nolan are the first to ever do that plot device.
Remember the Bourne Supremacy? Remember when Bourne allows himself to be taken into custody? "These guys don't make mistakes. Every thing is a plan. Everything has a reason."
TDK must have ripped that off from Bourne.
This post was edited on 4/21/13 at 11:06 am
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:13 am to magildachunks
I knew I'd get shite for that The point is valid though. I think they saw it in TDK and like the rest of us thought "that was really cool." Even TDKR uses a similar device in the opening scene of the movie. That moment in TDK stands out.
On an entirely different note, that scene works in the TDK, and they don't have batman and the joker just have some boring conversation either. Ultimately it's a surprise to find out joker had a plan and the goal of that plan makes the daring prison break even better
In avengers it's just some a-hole saying boring things with no clear plan and it ultimately has no consequences.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:15 am to DelU249
You keep bringing up TDK. This thread is about TDKR. Stay on topic Mulder.
This post was edited on 4/21/13 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:17 am to DelU249
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In avengers it's just some a-hole saying boring things with no clear plan and it ultimately has no consequences.
Yes it does have consequences, just not the ones he planned.
He wanted to cripple SHIELD and the Avengers so that there would be no resistance to the invasion. His plan failed. Doesn't make it a bad plot device, just a bad plan.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:17 am to Scruffy
I know I know but it belongs here
1. It was the financial standard they set for themselves when making the avengers
2. People nitpicking TDKR, need to understand you can do that on an entirely different level with TDK. It is a nitpicking masterpiece but none of that matters.
1. It was the financial standard they set for themselves when making the avengers
2. People nitpicking TDKR, need to understand you can do that on an entirely different level with TDK. It is a nitpicking masterpiece but none of that matters.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:22 am to DelU249
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In avengers it's just some a-hole saying boring things with no clear plan and it ultimately has no consequences.
He knew the Rod would affect people (saying there isn't enough back story on the rod is fair point). He needed the rod in the vicinity of Hulk to let it affect him.
Your point about the Hulk being in control (on the scooter) and not being in control (in the carrier) isn't valid. The Hulk is in control, that's why he was in Calcutta, the Cosmic Control Rod (most likely the movie's send back) MAKES him lose control.
For a physical representation....the flip shot of the reflection of the characters in the rod itself is saying, "He look here, this is affecting the heroes!"
That's why he loses control.
Granted, Loki's plan isn't as smooth as the Joker's in TDK (Loki can get away at any moment, a glass wall doesn't really hold him. It's also more to KEEP THEM BUSY while he finishes the machine). That's all.
It isn't a plot hole at all.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:24 am to Freauxzen
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Your point about the Hulk being in control (on the scooter) and not being in control (in the carrier) isn't valid.
Not my point
This post was edited on 4/21/13 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:28 am to Freauxzen
I don't watch the oscars. I watch all movies with the same mindset. See frick the oscars now you have all this extraneous bullshite to judge movies on.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:32 am to DelU249
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I don't watch the oscars. I watch all movies with the same mindset. See frick the oscars now you have all this extraneous bullshite to judge movies on.
Who cares ab out the Oscars?
So what do you want to judge movies on?
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:33 am to Freauxzen
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So what do you want to judge movies on?
Apparently, the Dark Knight.
Posted on 4/21/13 at 11:35 am to ctowner1
I don't praise or diss TDKR like most on here, I'm kind of in the middle, I liked it, I thought it was good, could have been better but movieBob is a joke. He didn't like the Batman/Bane fight.
Mind blown
Mind blown
Posted on 4/21/13 at 12:28 pm to magildachunks
Lots of things none of which are the ambitions of the director. I have a dog with a stomach infection gots to go
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