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LSUBoo
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
The tiebreakers have evolved... it used to be that the tiebreaker was whomever had the least council votes during the season. That happened a few times early on in regular tribal councils but never at finals.

They also used fire making as a tiebreaker late in games for a 2 vs. 2 tie. Also at one point drew rocks to break a tie, but the people receiving votes were safe.

A tied final council with three people, the third finalist breaks the tie, this happened once fairly recently.

My favorite though is when on season 3, early on with a tribe split 50/50, the tiebreakers were all tied so they had a trivia contest about Africa to break the tie.


WG_Dawg
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
Gotcha thank you. In s16 there were only 2 people left so I guess maybe they'd just split the money? Would have been interesting to see, it came down to the last vote.


WG_Dawg
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
***season 15 and 16 spoilers below***













I finished season 16 a little while ago. With 5 people left poor little Erik gave his immunity to natalie even though he was clearly tbe oddan out with 4 women and promptly went home. I was dumbfounded he actually did it and felt so bad for him. I was doing some reading about it and saw a list of dumbest moves in history. I only quick skimmed bc I didn't want to see any others but I had heard mentioned elsewhere about james so I really just wanted to find him on tbe list and I saw that in season 15 (this season wasn't on my must watch radar so I was ok with seeing that spoiler) he went home in final 7 while holding 2 idols. How the HELL does that even happen? Cam anyone give some background on that and why in the world he would do that especially so late in the game? I can't even imagine the thought process behind that


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
Basically he was just way to comfortable in his alliance. If he waits two more tribals he can guarantee himself final 4. They knew he was a challenge threat AND he had the two idols so the best move was to take him out while they could. He never saw it coming. James is not a particularly good strategist.
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WG_Dawg
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
I love blindsides. 16 had so many of them too


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
My favorite one was Amanda playing the idol and blindsiding Alexis. Eric's was painful lol.

Nowadays every vote out is a blindside.
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WG_Dawg
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
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Nowadays every vote out is a blindside.


After 40 seasons you'd think people would know never to be comfortable ha.

I know I keep referencing big brother but man survivor has been so refreshing from a voting standpoint. Lately 90% of the evictions in big brother are just "voting with tbe house" and being scared to make a move to upset the hoh. Survivor is like the exact opposite of that


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
As someone who started from the beginning and binged every season in a short time span, it's very interesting to see how the voting dynamics have evolved.

First few seasons were very simple. Find a majority alliance, and vote everyone else out of the game before turning on each other.

THen people realized, if you are on the bottom of that majority alliance it's better to flip to a different alliance to better your position. So say two of you are number 5 and 6 in the majority against 3. It's better to flip and make it a 5 to 4 alliance because you've guaranteed at least one of you making it to to the final 4 instead of neither of you.

Then came the blindside era, where people wanted to be in an alliance, but would ultimately realize threats that needed to be taken out of their alliance as they got the numbers (i.e Ozzy). So doesn't matter how close you are to someone you would take them out. Especially once you got past the merge.

Now there are basically what they call voting blocks where every tribal council could have a different group of people voting together based on what's best for them at that time. Alliances still exist but they are much looser with blurred lines.


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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
There have been numerous people voted out of Survivor while holding a hidden immunity idol, including a Couple of big names in the franchise. I think James is still the only one voted out with 2. And his was so late in the season, it just adds to buffoonery.

I wish Survivor would release complete footage from some of the tribal councils. I’ve mentioned it in other threads, but my cousin is good friends with a guy that played one season. Got to talk to him once and he said tribal councils usually lasted well over an hour, and so much gets edited out.


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
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I wish Survivor would release complete footage from some of the tribal councils. I’ve mentioned it in other threads, but my cousin is good friends with a guy that played one season. Got to talk to him once and he said tribal councils usually lasted well over an hour, and so much gets edited out.



I've read they routinely last at least a couple hours now and Jeff is not nearly as polished as the edit makes it appear. Basically they will go until everyone consents to vote (as we saw in Game Changers when Hali said "uhh I didn't consent" lol). As Jeff always says "It's your tribal council".

Fun fact: Tina in All Stars tried to filibusterer a tribal because she thought she was going home. She apparently spoke for so long production had to step in.


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LSUBoo
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
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With 5 people left poor little Erik gave his immunity to natalie even though he was clearly tbe oddan out with 4 women and promptly went home. I was dumbfounded he actually did it and felt so bad for him.


One of the all-time dumbest moves in Survivor history. He could have conceivably won immunity all the way to the end and won, but he gave it up because he felt bad.

Plenty of dumb moves out there, but that one's top 3. Or, bottom 3.


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
Kinda hate that Parv gets so much credit for that move when that is 100% Cirie's beautiful mind orchestrating that plan. All 4 ladies played their parts to perfection though.


LSUBoo
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
I don't want to say what I think is the all-time dumbest move because of spoilers... but... there are plenty to choose from.


WG_Dawg
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
Ive only seen 16 20 and 28 but there was a move in 20 that would have to be in contention for worst ever ha. Similar to Eric's move I couldn't actually believe what I was seeing when it was happening


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
It's weird bc it's obviously a dumb move but I can also definitely see the logic and upside to it. Coming into the season everyone knew Parv's MO which is why they were trying to get her out from the jump. So you can see why when the first 4 people voted out are men that the Heroes would think it was Parv running the show. If JT is right, it goes down as one of the best moves in survivor history and he's likely a two time winner. Instead he goes down in flames though.

You have to remember, Heroes vs Villains started filming 3 weeks after Russell's first season, Samoa, finished filming, not airing. So they all have no idea who Russell is or how he plays the game.


The inspector gadget letter was hilariously bad though lol.


WG_Dawg
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
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have to remember, Heroes vs Villains started filming 3 weeks after Russell's first season, Samoa, finished filming, not airing. So they all have no idea who Russell is or how he plays the game


Damn I didn't know that. When did 19 air? It had to have been weird for the other villains on day 1 being like "who are you and why are you here?"

I also can't believe his wife would let him go back on tbe show 3 weeks after getting home ha.


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
Samoa aired September thru December 2009. Heroes vs villains was filmed August through September 2009. I believe all they were told about him is he one of the top villains in the shows history. Russell didn’t even know the outcome of Samoa before filming HvV.

Playing back to back seasons has only happened 4 times that I can think of. Rupert in Pear Islands/All Stars. James and Amanda in China/Micronesia. Russell in Samoa/HvV and a guy named Joe in worlds apart/Cambodia. It’s very hard on the contestants especially when they go far. That’s why Amanda is breaking down crying so much in Micronesia and Russell’s body composition is radically different than at the start of Samoa. They’ve both essentially played survivor for 2 and a half months straight.

ETA: actuallly there are a few more people but not really worth mentioning.
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LSUBoo
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
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You have to remember, Heroes vs Villains started filming 3 weeks after Russell's first season, Samoa, finished filming, not airing. So they all have no idea who Russell is or how he plays the game.


I've said it before, if that season films after Russell's initial season airs, he's first out.

Didn't JT have another idol as well? It was a really dumb move, but I guess I get it, he saw it as a chance to get rid of Parvati.


UMRealist
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
He just had the one from the heroes side and parv had the villains one.


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LSUBoo
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re: Beginner Survivor seasons question (No spoilers)
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a guy named Joe in worlds apart/Cambodia


He's one of my all-time favorites, but Worlds Apart filmed in August/September 2014 and Cambodia (Second Chance) filmed in June/July 2015 after Worlds Apart aired. He had plenty of time back home and the other Second Chancers had a chance to see his full game.

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James and Amanda in China/Micronesia.


They had a break between, but much shorter... and they filmed the Micronesia season while the China season was airing. If contestants were watching the China season live they would have only seen a few weeks before leaving to film.

Samoa and Heroes vs. Villains only had about three weeks between filming, so Russell had no time to recover. He was a pretty big, stocky dude at the start of Samoa.


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