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re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice Trailer (Spoilers after page 8)

Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:24 pm to
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:24 pm to
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how do they bring in Klark here though? Didn't a few people figure out Klark was Superman in the first?
Just Lois I believe. And his mom.

ETA: One or two people out there knew there was a super being, but I don't thing they necessarily know his name.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 6:27 pm
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:28 pm to
So would they pretend Louis doesn't know who he is? (this would honestly bother me during the movie)

Is Amy Adams in the movie as Louis?
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:32 pm to
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I think no matter what, people would have feared him. The days of the sunshine and rainbows Superman are over.


Sure, but he level of fear would be completely different and I think that makes a difference when it comes to the drama of the film.

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We can go back and forth for days on whether or not the Zod fight could have been avoided or moved to a different location. I don't think it would be as easy as some people think it would. I just think when two super beings face off, shite's gonna get destroyed, IMO.


It's not that he didn't move it, it's that he didn't try.

Also was not a fan of Lois so easily finding out who he was. I've repeated it over and over but it would have made far more sense for the love interest in the first film to be Lana Lang b/c she would have already known he had powers from saving the bus when they were kids. She could have been following his exploits around the world before he came back home.

Having her get killed by Zod could have really changed the arguments over the logic of Supes killing him at the end instead of snapping the dudes neck b/c some rando morons didn't run away even though they surely killed thousands more simply from tossing each other into buildings.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 6:35 pm
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:34 pm to
She will know who Clark is in this movie.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:37 pm to
I think most of your arguments say that you are more of a fan of the classic Superman take. I personally hated Lois being portrayed as a dumb bitch who couldn't figure out that Clark was Superman. It's not a disappointment to me that she found out so quickly.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:46 pm to
TBH, I may not have had Lois in the first film hardly at all. A minor supporting role was really all that was needed.

Also, one of the main reasons people don't figure it out is b/c as Clark he acts like a bumbling weakling, changes his hair, talks differently, etc.

They did none of this in MOS.

With Lois, my issue is not necessarily that she found out in the first film, its how she did it.

An alien spacecraft under military guard picks up and flies away and off of that experience she follows his work history to find him. Suspension of disbelief is needed in a film like this to be sure but to expect me to believe that she could find him by tracing his work history while the US military has no fricking clue and doesnt even notice that a grunt on the site of the spaceships disappearance also happened to vanish the same day is a bit much.
Posted by abellsujr
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:49 pm to
I mean, it's a comic book movie. The magic stick in The Avengers still gets on my nerves, but I just kind of roll with it. I don't know, that's just me.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 6:52 pm to
I'll watch the movie on Red Box (I haven't watched a movie in theaters in 4 years)
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:01 pm to
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I mean, it's a comic book movie.


I think these types of movies have evolved enough that an excuse like that should no longer hold water when it comes to sloppy writing.
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The magic stick in The Avengers still gets on my nerves, but I just kind of roll with it. I don't know, that's just me.


I agree that there are certain issues w/the Avengers that I could nitpick but I also think that movie was executed better on the whole so it's easier for me to forgive those moments. I have some issues with the Donner Superman movie as well (mainly the time travel Lois can live clap trap) In the end, MOS just had too many moments that irked me to raise it into the upper echelon of comic flicks.
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 7:02 pm
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:09 pm to
I would also add that if they wanted to make Lois seem smarter than the average shmoe while making it believable that others aren't able to figure things out, they should have gone with something similar to Superman II Donner Cut where Lois tricks him into admitting it by shooting him with a gun loaded with blanks.
Posted by LeonPhelps
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:41 pm to
Now this is a trailer. I have not been as excited to see a movie since Man of Steel, and before that not since Return of the King.
Posted by Ultron
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 7:49 pm to
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I think these types of movies have evolved enough that an excuse like that should no longer hold water when it comes to sloppy writing


Well if we are going down that path...

How did no one recognize Trevor as The Mandarin? He was an actor, granted a low level druggy of one, but still.

How in The Winter Soldier did TWS know that Fury was going to turn down that specific road in DC before he blew up his suv with his magnetic disk bomb?


How the hell does Peter's 80's tech still work 25 years later when he's in space and hasn't been to radio shack to stock up on batteries nor does he have a compatible port to plug in the equipment?

How the hell can Loki just assume Odin's spot on the throne and no one notice? If he killed him, then that's way too big of a plot point to have happen off screen. Someone else had to be in that throne room and another set of guards had to be watching over Odin if he was in his Odinsleep.



Interested in what you have to say about that.
Posted by EthanL
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 8:26 pm to
Here is the issue:
Christopher Reeve's Superman was basically a soap opera. Soap operas attract a certain kind of putz. I would add that in the 80's, Soap Operas were at their peak, so THAT Superman fit into those times perfectly. People loved the love story, the embarrassing jokes, and even some of the subtle innuendo.

Zack Snyder shook off all of this garbage when he directed MoS, which in my opinion, is the best Superman movie to date. From the genius of Kryptonian life, to hands down, the straight-up bar room brawls between Kal & the Kryptonians, to the most epic super hero moment ever (When Supes goes up the World Engine's arse, as his friends struggle to save Jenny), this movie was amazing.

I'm sorry for you Christopher Reeve lovers that ZS didn't settle on another remake (Superman Returns, which could've been better), but chose to actually have the Man of Steel HIT people that had it coming.

Rant [ON] OFF
The ONLY beef I had with MoS was the washed-out color at times, and some of the ridiculous camera shots during the Zod/Superman fights (particular Supes flying in between buildings). I prefer to see action in scale to the scene, far away. Just looks more realistic. For example,(and I digress) Superman Returns had a great scene when he saved the 747 at the beginning. Then they just totally ruined it by cgi'ing him opening the main door once it was safe on ground. Why not suspend him from wires for or more realistic feel? Why so lazy?? I hope ZS plans on using suspension wires whenever possible, rather than go the easy, CGI route. Not sure why I chose a Superman Returns example of this, when the beef was with MoS. Maybe it's because I loved the movie that much. Rant ON [OFF].
This post was edited on 4/18/15 at 9:21 pm
Posted by meeple
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 11:25 pm to
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Superman Returns had a great scene when he saved the 747 at the beginning. 


Nah,the aircraft would have buckled at the nose due to the point load imparted by Supes
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 4/18/15 at 11:26 pm to
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How did no one recognize Trevor as The Mandarin? He was an actor, granted a low level druggy of one, but still.


He said they gave give plastic surgery when he was hired him.

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How in The Winter Soldier did TWS know that Fury was going to turn down that specific road in DC before he blew up his suv with his magnetic disk bomb?


He correctly guessed from the chatter all his Hydra agents were feeding him as Fury was trying to escape?

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How the hell does Peter's 80's tech still work 25 years later when he's in space and hasn't been to radio shack to stock up on batteries nor does he have a compatible port to plug in the equipment?


They are space. You really think it'd be that hard to jerry rig a Walkman with the advanced tech they have?

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How the hell can Loki just assume Odin's spot on the throne and no one notice? If he killed him, then that's way too big of a plot point to have happen off screen. Someone else had to be in that throne room and another set of guards had to be watching over Odin if he was in his Odinsleep.


I don't recall anyone else being in huge throne room at the time but if there was I'm going to go ahead and assume Loki killed their asses since he was able to overpower Odin. He then dumps Odin off somewhere and keeps up his fake Odin illusion at all times. Remember, Loki is working for Thanos so he could easily ship Odin away to some far off dungeon. Hell, he may even have the arrogance to put the old man in the Asgardian jail believing he could uses his illusion skills to make people think it's just some shmoe in the cell.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 12:17 am to
A lot of assumptions in the above post. If you have to assume then chalk it up to lazy writing. What's that famous line?

"Don't tell me. Show me."

None of the above examples show me anything. They just sound like excuses in an attempt to explain away logical fallacies.


This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 12:18 am
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 12:33 am to
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How the hell does Peter's 80's tech still work 25 years later when he's in space and hasn't been to radio shack to stock up on batteries nor does he have a compatible port to plug in the equipment?
I had some issues with GotG, this was not one of them. I had a huge problem with the prison escape scene. They used that central station thing to escape by using the computer inside to fly out. How could that computer still operate when it detached from it's base? It's not wireless, is it? I thought it was a fun movie, but I will never understand the love for it. To each his own I guess.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 12:41 am
Posted by gaetti15
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 1:21 am to
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They used that central station thing to escape by using the computer inside to fly out. How could that computer still operate when it detached from it's base? It's not wireless, is it?


really would hope that space aliens would have figured out that technology by now, especially with all the space travel and such

And people love it because it was a fun movie
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 1:22 am
Posted by abellsujr
New England
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 1:26 am to
I guess he uses that battery to power it?
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 5:20 am
Posted by ArmyHogs
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Posted on 4/19/15 at 3:32 am to
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But the trailer for man of steel was great as well and people still hated the movie....


I'm a HUGE Superman freak and fan, so I love watching any Superman movie. I thought Man of Steel was amazing. Maybe i'm biased A shite ton of people will just agree with whatever other people say so as to look cool and fit in, even if the movie looks amazing. Which Batman vs Superman does. I'm pumped for it.
This post was edited on 4/19/15 at 3:38 am
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