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re: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice set and cast photos
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:45 am to Freauxzen
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:45 am to Freauxzen
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But Superman is supposed to be more than that.
That wasn't the point of MoS here. It was a Superman movie sure, but it really wasn't the Superman we all know and love. I mean shite, the Superman we love usually comes into his morals and rules through years of experience and training. He simply dons the Superman suit and walks out into the world and literally the first problem he faces are people with power like him. It's not a shock he has no idea what to do and just goes for it blow by blow.
It's things like this that's going to teach him to avoid similar scenarios as much as possible. He'll be older, wiser with experience. He expierences first hand what people with power like him are capable of doing and it probably doesn't fully set in until the adrenaline wears off and he realizes the consequences of decisions made. The point is this Superman went through a very unorthodox beginning in his career and started off basically improvising. Officially, this was a Superman movie but it's very much about Clark Kent coming into his own as Superman and understanding the scope of his decisions, and he has to make decisions that really weigh on him to change his ways.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:51 am
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Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:46 am to Freauxzen
FWIW, The Avengers, Iron Man 3, CA 2 are all better movies than MoS IMO, but I still loved MoS. And I think the action scenes are second best to Avatar, IMO. Thank God this is America. 
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:46 am to The_Hornet
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You seem to be a Marvel fanboy.
Who brought up Marvel in this thread? quote:
I wouldn't complain about any creative decision that WB makes when IM3 was probably the most disappointing superhero movie of the last decade.
On first watch, that's probably Spider-Man 3, or perhaps Green Lantern. Those are about on par. Throw in Catwoman too. That's 2 to 2.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:46 am to Freauxzen
quote:Opinion.
Uh no, that's a fact. There's no opinion there. There are many holes in the plot, some of the character motivations, etc. It's a movie with a lot of story problems. That isn't an opinion.
Sometimes it's ok to overlook small hiccups, sometimes, when these things are supposed to form the foundation of this mythic character, you can't. See Pa Kent's approach. Completely wasted.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:47 am to Freauxzen
This avatar doesn't suit you.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 12:48 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:48 am to Freauxzen
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I don't like it because it's poorly constructed, not because it isn't my type of film.
It was not poorly constructed in the least. You just can't bring yourself to admit that you didn't like it.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:49 am to abellsujr
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You're not changing your mind either, are you?
There's a difference between changing a mind and understanding someone else's opinion. You said specifically you would never understand, which is a completely closed mind.
I actually DO understand why someone would like the action in MoS.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:50 am to Freauxzen
quote:This you are definitely not doing in this case.
understanding someone else's opinion
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:51 am to Fewer Kilometers
why even post this? it's just shitty pictures of a shitty statue. AWESOME
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:51 am to abellsujr
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Opinion.
Keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:51 am to Freauxzen
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There are many holes in the plot,
Name 5.
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some of the character motivations
List them.
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It's a movie with a lot of story problems
You may not like the story, but it's coherent. It has 3 acts. It's told coherently. There are no holes. There are no misguided character motivations.
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That isn't an opinion
Yes it is.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:52 am to Freauxzen
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This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 1:06 am
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:52 am to abellsujr
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This avatar doesn't suit you.
For what reason? Because I don't like MoS as a film?
OMG the horror
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:52 am to abellsujr
I loved MOS and I think it's a great movie. It's the first decent Superman movie ever. No cheeziness, no campiness, no lame focus on Clark acting like a nerd. It was gritty and violent. It wasnt for everyone and that's cool bc it probably was not like the comic.
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:53 am to Freauxzen
quote:The fact that it's too American.
For what reason?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:53 am to abellsujr
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This you are definitely not doing in this case.
How so?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 12:55 am to Freauxzen
quote:You can't stand the fact that we like the movie. I understand that you criticize it, that's fine. I just don't understand the criticism. Let it go.
How so?
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:17 am to abellsujr
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You can't stand the fact that we like the movie.
Incorrect. You can like the movie all you want. But it isn't a good movie. These are two completely different things, that's what you don't get.
It's a film that you can enjoy, like maybe a Transformers movie. It's a super fun film, that's completely ridiculous has a pretty hokey plot, some bad one liners, but it blows stuff up and can be a lot of fun. I mean, it's a bad film, let's be honest, but some people like watching it.
Although it doesn't have as many things wrong with it, the narrative is terrible and that's a big hurt. Like Sunshine, it's a movie that might be the best science fiction film in the last 10 years....except the last 15 minutes are B-Movie bad. I really like the film. I enjoy the hell out of it, but I can admit that it has some faults, some major faults.
That's the difference between us. Your level of enjoyment defines the quality of a film (and we can argue for that discussion, but no matter how much you like Epic Movie, that doesn't make it the Godfather), which doesn't really work in a broader discussion.
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I understand that you criticize it, that's fine. I just don't understand the criticism.
Because we are talking around the issue rather than at the issue. Fault on both parts.
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Let it go.
But you
A) Can also "let it go," and haven't
B) Forget that the first page was a strict call out to those who might find faults in MoS. You can't give a shout out to someone who might disagree then say "let it go."
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:26 am to Freauxzen
quote:I thought it was good.
But it isn't a good movie
quote:I don't think so.
I mean, it's a bad film
quote:Maybe. I agree it had it's problems, but I was in awe of the action. And I thought Russell Crowe was great. I thought it had some very powerful moments. The dialog got on my nerves a little bit, but that doesn't always define a movie. Goyer is to blame for this, IMO. I thought the same thing about TDK series. I also thought the same thing about Avatar. But hell yeah, great action can balance the overall judgement as to whether or not it's a good movie, IMO. It's not The Avengers, It's not Iron Man 3, but I liked it and I respect your opinion.
Your level of enjoyment defines the quality of a film
Posted on 6/11/14 at 1:30 am to Freauxzen
This is what I said on the first page. I stand by these statements.
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I never understood the criticism this got. As if Superman had a choice. Should he have just ran from Zod and let him destroy the world? Zod came after him.
quote:These are just opinions, I'm not calling anyone out. They are just my opinions.
Or kill anyone either. How unrealistic is that when you're dealing with someone with the power of Zod? You can't just put that guy in jail. People expect him to be perfect. Save the world but make sure you do it without a scratch. Ridiculous. Earth doesn't have a Asgardian prison like where they kept Loki.
This post was edited on 6/11/14 at 1:33 am
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