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re: Anyone else intrigued by 'Hereditary'?
Posted on 6/11/18 at 5:16 pm to Carson123987
Posted on 6/11/18 at 5:16 pm to Carson123987
Symbol was on the pole before. The scene where it showed it was them driving to the party.
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Posted on 6/11/18 at 6:36 pm to BobRoss
Ugh. Lame
Posted on 6/11/18 at 6:53 pm to TulaneUVA
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Really dislike intense gore as well. Should I avoid or will my pansy arse go see it?
Hereditary isn’t gory. Some disturbing imagery but not gory. Seven is gorier than Hereditary.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 6:54 pm to Carson123987
Doesn’t mean much other than a cult marking its territory or realm. Nothing in the movie leads anyone to believe that the cult orchestrated Charlie’s death.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 7:12 pm to LSUZombie
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Nothing in the movie leads anyone to believe that the cult orchestrated Charlie’s death.
I've read several articles, and there are many that say the director has stated that yes, the cult was responsible for her death, hence the symbol on the telephone pole she hit.
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We can assume that at some point in Charlie's childhood, Paimon was invited into her body by her grandmother. That's why she's so strange; why she clucks her tongue, why she decapitates birds, why she makes her spooky art projects. Her death appears to be the machination of either Paimon himself or the coven that desires him, as she is decapitated like the other women in her family eventually are. (Hereditary writer/director Ari Aster has confirmed that Charlie's death was, indeed, "designed by the cult.") After she's gone, Paimon targets Peter, ready for the male host he's been seeking all along.
What was up w/ all the beheadings? Paimon liked heads or something?
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 6/11/18 at 8:02 pm to the paradigm
I agree that it was only a matter of time before the cult would have taken Charlie’s death into their own hands, but the accident wasn’t it.
That said, I’m trying to use reason in a paranormal film. If the director intended for the cult to have set in motion Charlie’s death, he didn’t do a good job of portraying it in the movie.
That said, I’m trying to use reason in a paranormal film. If the director intended for the cult to have set in motion Charlie’s death, he didn’t do a good job of portraying it in the movie.
Posted on 6/11/18 at 8:16 pm to LSUZombie
Sorry, man. That was straight from the horse’s mouth. I guess the symbol on the pole was supposed to be the clue that viewers were supposed to pick up on.
That’s one of the main things I disliked — too many little subtle things that are never explained. I guess they wanted viewers to make their own opinions as to what happened, which has caused a lot of division among those who have seen it.
That’s one of the main things I disliked — too many little subtle things that are never explained. I guess they wanted viewers to make their own opinions as to what happened, which has caused a lot of division among those who have seen it.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 8:31 am to the paradigm
I got the impression that, like in the Omen Damian was surrounded by Satanists that nobody knew about, Annie and her family were being watched by the cult all along. The symbol of Paimon was everywhere...the necklaces, on the telephone pole, on the door mats, even the wallpaper in Annie’s bedroom appeared to have it in it. It’s also interesting that the teacher in Peter’s class was discussing the Greek myth of Agamemnon and Iphigenia. Agamemnon sacrificed his daughter to the gods in exchange for power and military victory.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:03 am to LSUZombie
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That said, I’m trying to use reason in a paranormal film. If the director intended for the cult to have set in motion Charlie’s death, he didn’t do a good job of portraying it in the movie.
Agreed I disliked that little detail. Felt forced.
But you can rationalize it in a paranormal movie by saying outside forces made it happen with the dead animal in the road and the timing of her sticking her head out the window.
It was the weakest part of the movie.. Also wish they would have explained the beheadings a bit more.
Overall I enjoyed it.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 9:58 am to LSUZombie
quote:there is foreshadowing throughout the early part of the film that leads us to believe that Charlie was always "possessed"
but the accident wasn’t it.
The decapitation of the bird, the fact that the mom allowed the grandmother around her so much, her creating those weird objects(which she finally becomes at the end), her visions, etc.
the dead grandmother/cult wanted Charlie but as we later find out, the demon prefers a "vulnerable male body".
It's why Charlie HAD to die due to Peter's recklessness so they could take advantage of his shock/grief
quote:I think they did a fine job of it honestly.
If the director intended for the cult to have set in motion Charlie’s death, he didn’t do a good job of portraying it in the movie.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:25 am to Pilot Tiger
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I think they did a fine job of it honestly
Not trying to argue but trying to understand how you think they did a good job. It's the largest plot hole for me so I'd like to hear someone explaining it.
The pole had the symbol before hand, how? Why?
How did they have her eat the cake with nuts?
How did she roll the window down at that exact moment?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:28 am to WITNESS23
quote:i mean, it's a movie with a demon driving the action. It's not really hard to see why it would
The pole had the symbol before hand, how? Why?
quote:she's a 13 year old yet somehow didnt check for nuts? why? she clearly DGAF about dying. Earlier she's sleeping out in her freezing cold tree house. She has some kind of death wish
How did they have her eat the cake with nuts?
quote:clearly because she's got some demon shite inside her influencing her to die
How did she roll the window down at that exact moment?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:32 pm to Pilot Tiger
You didn't explain how the cult set in motion Charlies death, which is what you said in the post I asked you about.
Im not trying to argue just seeing if you had a different perspective that could explain it better.
Im not trying to argue just seeing if you had a different perspective that could explain it better.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 12:34 pm to WITNESS23
quote:I don't think i said cult rather that I believe the demon/dead grandma influenced the events leading to the death.
You didn't explain how the cult set in motion Charlies death,
I think Charlie was always possessed or whatever you want to call it.
She didn't cry as a baby(said my Annie)
She was the only child that the grandma was allowed to have a lot of contact with(being groomed)
She created all the weird hybrid creature shite that we see at the end(why would she do this if she wasn't being influenced?)
She had a weird connection to the grandma("who is going to look after me when you die")
Her welcome mat said "Charles" indicating the grandma wanted her to be a boy
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:19 pm to Pilot Tiger
I agree with that. And if the plot line is to suspend belief that it's supernatural that brought on those events then cool.
The cult having part in Charlies death is where i was lost.
The cult having part in Charlies death is where i was lost.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:29 pm to WITNESS23
My biggest question is at the end, after Paimon’s spirit has entered Peter, why did Joan say, “Welcome, Paimon, and welcome, Charlie”?
I also find it weird that Charlie is 13, she obviously has serious issues, and nobody thinks anything of it.
I also find it weird that Charlie is 13, she obviously has serious issues, and nobody thinks anything of it.
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:08 pm to the paradigm
quote:dysfunctional family thinks nothing of weird looking/acting 13 year old, more at 11
she obviously has serious issues, and nobody thinks anything of it.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:09 pm to Pilot Tiger
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I think they did a fine job of it honestly.
I think he did a fine job of letting us know that the cult would one day kill Charlie, but not that the cult put a plan in motion to have Charlie's eat a piece of cake with nuts and then have her head knocked off in a freak accident.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:09 pm to the paradigm
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My biggest question is at the end, after Paimon’s spirit has entered Peter, why did Joan say, “Welcome, Paimon, and welcome, Charlie”?
I believe Paimon was in Peter and Charlie was hanging around in spirit, maybe as the Queen or as someone else.
Remember they said Charlie wasn't like all the way gone
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:11 pm to Pilot Tiger
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I think Charlie was always possessed or whatever you want to call it.
That is true. Charlie had always been possessed with Paimon but the demon couldn't reach it's full potential unless inside a male body.
This explains why Charlie was a weirdo, why she decapitated dead birds, and why she basically looked and acted like a tom boy.
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