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re: Anthony Beevor (historian) discusses best war movies

Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:04 pm to
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 9:04 pm to
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But as someone who reads a lot of history, they’re able to scientifically confirm a lot of the records.


It could be true...but the ancients so distrusted historians especially when it came to battles that they'd just dismiss them as exaggerations or sometimes fabrications.

The best tool in war or dominance over a people has always been propaganda. And the victors write the history. There's no objective observers especially back then.

So with that skepticism, almost everyone believed the Trojar War was simply myth. Homer supposedly wrote about it in the 8th century BC and the Greeks surmised it might have occured in the 13th century BC. So that's 500 years later.

Can you imagine writing the history of the Vietnam War in the year 3,000 AD?

But modern scholars have found evidence of Troy and the War and now think it might not be a myth afterall. That it really happened and that's why the story was passed down in oral tradition for centuries before it got to Homer who wrote it down.

The deal is nothing has changed all that much with respect to war reporting. Most journalists are either banned or censored. Everything is a classified. And very little survives after the war but for recollections from those in it.
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 5/31/18 at 10:02 pm to
None of those are historians. I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m just saying, they’re not historians. Homer was telling a story for entertainment. Whether it was real or not didn’t really matter. He was a poet. Journalists are to write what they see. It’s not for them to analyze.

Posted by GetCocky11
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:14 am to
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For some reason, the one exception for me is Braveheart, or more particularly the battle scenes in that movie (overall I think it is a very good movie). It just seems like such a wasted opportunity to me - those battles were some great examples of battlefield tactics by the opposing forces and they just dumbed it down to two masses of troops charging each other.



If you keep your eye on the extras in those battle scenes in Braveheart, you can see some who are just completely half-assing it and not even trying to look real when they swing a sword.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:56 am to
Especially since the initial fighting in Normandy was all hedge rows. Everyone was popping up on each other.

So even with our aerial dominance timely information of there may be a tank in front of your position wasn't there.

Never ask a Frog to be honest about war though. frickers all want to pretend they weren't Vichy fricks and all were La Resistance.
Posted by LSUDonMCO
Orlando
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 9:56 am to
The question is the difference between a documentary and a movie. Documentaries try to be historically accurate (unless done by Michael Moore), but movies try to tell a story or be visually appealing even if accuracy is lost.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 5:29 pm to
I found Platoon to be extremely scary and profoundly moving at age 20. Now I watch it and see hilarious cliche and cheesy emotional manipulation. Weird how poorly it has held up for me.
Posted by Adajax
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 7:41 pm to
Go Tell The Spartans is one of the most underrated and underappreciated war movies out there.

Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 8:05 pm to
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Especially since the initial fighting in Normandy was all hedge rows. Everyone was popping up on each other.



I often hear the quote, "only 10% of rifles were actually fired on D-Day" - "everybody was too busy trying to dig a hole for themselves."

Again, I have no idea if this is true. There are two books out there that postulated 75% of soldiers in WWII never fired their weapons once.

"Men against Fire", by SLA Marshall after extensive interviews with Veterans of WWII.

The thing is simply this, that out of an average 100 men along the line of fire during the period of an encounter, only 15 men on average would take any part with the weapons. This was true whether the action was spread over a day, or two days or three...In the most aggressive infantry companies, under the most intense local pressure, the figure rarely rose above 25% of total strength from the opening to the close of an action.

It is therefore reasonable to believe that the average and healthy individual--the man who can endure the mental and physical stresses of combat--still has such an inner and usually unrealized resistance towards killing a fellow man that he will not of his own volition take life if it is possible to turn away from that responsibility...At the vital point he becomes a conscientious objector...


Again, I have no idea what's true. Recollections are a scary thing especially people subjected to the horrors of war. But the point was, despite being thrust into war, humans really don't like killing other humans and try to avoid it and are more interested in their own self-preservations.

So war movies that show soldiers killing with glee can be considered Hollywood false.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 8:07 pm
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 10:25 pm to
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Winners: Black Hawk Down, The Thin Red Line, Patton, Downfall, Bridge on the River Kwai, Paths of Glory, Saving Private Ryan

Losers: Pearl Harbor, Platoon

On the surface there really isn’t much to disagree with here.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 10:26 pm
Posted by Dry Prong Wildcat
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/2/18 at 7:19 am to
Lion of the Desert (1979) w/Anthony Quinn as Omar Mukhtar the Libyan guerrilla leader when Italy invaded in the 20's. Oliver Reed played the Italian general. Great movie and seems fairly accurate.
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