re: Almost 28 months later: TDKR vs The Avengers revisited

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It's pretty amazing that when these movies came out that they were seen as equals and some even preferred the avengers. There's nothing really "wrong" with the avengers per se. It is what it is and doesn't try to be anything else. It's a fun popcorn movie and I still enjoy it, but it is just a surface level comic book movie with a rehashed villan from their standalone Thor effort. It's ultimately all sizzle and no steak. TDKR, on the other hand, was maligned at the time largely because it tried to pack way too much into one movie. They should have just filmed an extra 40 minutes, flushed out a few of the themes and broke it into two a la harry potter. But, after watching it a handful of times it really opens up. It's an outstanding blend of 2 of Batman's greatest stories (Knightfall and The Dark Knight Returns) combined with classic Charles Dickens' novel "A Tale of Two Cities". It's not perfect by any stretch, and you can tell that having to follow the previous batman film really weighed on the production. But even so it's still eons better of a movie than the avengers.

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I wouldn't say TDKR is anything like Knightfall at all, except the fact that Bane is in it. I say it more resembles War Games/Zone with the isolation of GC than anything. I guess it has elements of TDKR, but not really. Affleck's Batman is more likely to resemble that Bruce than Bale. I'll give you the Dickens take though, he was going for that and a little Hughes in there as well... but you can't forgive a film for not fleshing out it's thoughts, which TDKR did.

As for the Avengers, yes it was an event movie... but I'll take the action scenes the dialogue and chemistry between the actors and a less emotion from my superheroes.
The Avengers film was finite peace to one story (Phase One) and opening up the MCU. It set characters into a current setting and moving a bigger story along.

TDKR had to audible in the first place, with no mention of The Joker at all in the film, a noticeable missing piece of the film. It's final chapter of it series had Bruce quit on his city twice, which if that's Nolan's final take on Batman... give me someone who understands the character better.

Chris Nolan is one of the great filmmakers of today, but after BB, he really didn't get Bruce Wayne.

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However...to say the movie was total shite, as some do on this board, is either a symptom of trolling or a symptom of stupidity. I will not back down from that belief.

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Reason #346 why discussion is impossible. Thinking like this can block criticism.

I don't even think the movie is that bad, but I'd defend people who have that interpretation.

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I'm still stuck on the scene where every cop in the city went into a tunnel Every Single One Dumbest plot move ever.

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And weren't they there for a month or something? I don't remember because the movie was so bad I only watched it once.

Kevin Smith never did get that big movie deal, did he.

Ackles is great in Supernatural, that's about the end of his talent. I think they made the right choice.

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The Avengers might be more entertaining, but TDKR is better overall.

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I agree with this.

TDKR is a a better film with a lot of flaws. Avengers is a pretty entertaining movie that nailed it in all aspects.

I own both and don't buy many hero DVDs.

If I could only see either one of them ever again one last time I'd see TDKR. If I could only watch one as many times as I wanted from head to eternity I'd choose the Avengers.

He's a pretty good dude from what I hear. He's from Richardson, TX which where I went to school at UTD.

He had some opportunities but could never get away from being typecast in horror movies.

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Kevin Smith on TDKR plot holes - long podacst

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there are plot holes in every film. There will always be some farfetched device used to further the plot in movies. Especially comic movies.


shite...hydra allowed shield to put the avengers together, a superhero group that could easily destroy them. Tony stark hacked into shields database, exposing all of their secrets, but neither him nor Jarvis found anything out about hydra.

In BB, the league used microwaves to vaporize water; humans are 60% water. "but jeff they were focused microwaves"

You can't think to much with movies like this.

Yeah he'd be ok as captain America but Chris Evans IS captain America

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entertainment, just like the film.

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kind of what I was saying,