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re: A&E Biography WWE Legends: Bill Goldberg

Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:32 pm to
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:32 pm to
Hogan was capable of wrestling at one point because of what his trainer taught him. It wasn’t going to make him money but he could protect himself if someone decided not to to business.

Goldberg was not fully trained and was a danger to himself and everyone else in the ring. And he wasn’t able to fight his way out of a paper bag.

Jericho beat him quickly in a real fight. Twice.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 8:52 pm to
Id have liked to have seen Haku vs Jericho irl lol
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:12 pm to
I enjoyed the Lex Luger one a lot more than I thought I would. And those last 15 minutes or so of it were really incredible to see. He truly seems to be in a much better place now than he ever was when he was a superstar, even though he’s a shell of his former self.

I’d love for them to do one on Sting. He was my absolute favorite growing up.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:15 pm to
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I’d love for them to do one on Sting. He was my absolute favorite growing up.


Wanted him to come to WWF before he was doing the criw gimmick. Always thought him vs Bret hart would have been a fun program.
Posted by ThanosIsADemocrat
The Garden
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 8/8/22 at 9:28 pm to
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It's not as if Hogan was some in ring technical wizard either. All it takes is charisma to be a star.


You ever see Hogans New Japan run? He was better than his American matches.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104023 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 8:42 am to
Haku and most other islanders tended to be people you didn’t want to frick with. If you left them alone, you tended to be fine unless Barbarian was drinking or Snuka was coked up.

As Gary Hart put it, “You don’t frick with the island boys.”
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
10296 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 10:47 am to
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I also still can't believe WCW put the Goldberg/Hogna title match on free f-ing TV and only promoted it for a week.

That's one of biggest booking blunders I've vee seen.


WCW did far worse things

Honestly, with the benefit of hindsight, it's easy to say it should have been a program; however, in those days it was all about the TV ratings, especially for WCW which was owned by a television company.

Having gone back and watched a lot of old WCW PPVs on Peacock from 1998, what's worse to me is how Goldberg was handled as champion. He still played second fiddle to Hogan and the NWO.

He was just thrown into random feuds against guys like Curt Hennig, who while a great wrestler, was nowhere near a top-of-the-card program.

Aside from the match with Nash at Starrcade 98 (which he lost), he had a great feud and match with DDP, but that's about it. Probably should've been DDP that took the title off of him too.

Despite being one of the company's top draws, Goldberg never won the world title again for the remainder of the company's existence, which is just mind boggling to me. It'd be like when Austin lost the WWE title for the first time in 98 if he never won it again.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12284 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 12:55 pm to
I know how most moves are executed but how did they "fake" a superkick? I used to think they just put their hand up in front of their face but there are times when it looked like they got clocked flush in the face and I've never figured out how wrestlers take that kick
Posted by mametoo
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2008
3293 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:47 pm to
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Kinda crazy that they yanked Bill from the Power Plant after like 3 months of training and put him straight on TV when he admitted he didn’t know shite


What is far more cringy is Goldberg at a Pride event giving advice backstage. He couldn't fake a fight, but was giving real fighters advice. He then called the Big Nog vs. Sapp fight. Why?
Posted by moontigr
Dark Side of the Moon
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 8/9/22 at 5:54 pm to
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Jericho beat him quickly in a real fight. Twice.


Totally inaccurate, and Jericho will be the first to tell you that. Goldberg could've wiped his arse with Jericho if he wanted to.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12284 posts
Posted on 8/9/22 at 11:51 pm to
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Totally inaccurate, and Jericho will be the first to tell you that. Goldberg could've wiped his arse with Jericho if he wanted to.


I remember hearing Jericho himself say he got a quick chokehold on him and if it wasn't for that he'd a been fricked
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
27322 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 1:39 am to
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how did they "fake" a superkick


With a real high side kick, you lock your knee out when you make impact with your opponent for maximum energy transfer into the other person.

With the Superkick, the kick is pulled and the knee is bent, thus taking almost all of the force out of the move. There is also no follow through, so kick eseentially molds around you opponent instead of trying to go through him.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2020
12284 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:30 am to
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With the Superkick, the kick is pulled and the knee is bent, thus taking almost all of the force out of the move. There is also no follow through, so kick eseentially molds around you opponent instead of trying to go through him.


Wow that's really cool. When Goldberg kicked Bret Hart did he just call it wrong or did he actually extend into Bret's face?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104023 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 1:43 pm to
Whole point is that Goldberg’s rep took a major hit because a guy not seen as a shooter / strongman was able to counter him twice in short order. (Jericho is notoriously a butt monkey amongst older veterans because he is a lot smaller than a normal star)

Bowing up like that and starting a fight you may not be able to win is a losing proposition for a top guy like Goldberg.

They had a similar thing happen on screen with Kurt Angle around that time by putting him out there to stretch the Tough Enough guys.


In that case, Angle wasn’t the first choice to do so but instead a lesser stat in Little Guido James Maritano. Angle had also been told which guys not to challenge yet he stupidly threw an open challenge after beating one guy just to get stuck in a ki lock by Daniel Puder.


Bullying your way through people only works as long as your ability to back up your shite. And once a guy seen as not on your level either beats your or stalemates you, it is a hit on your reputation.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 3:59 pm to
I'm biased since I was in the GA Dome that night but people need to realize that most PPV revenue went to Turner Home Entertainment, not WCW. So it's not like they lost a lot of money having it on Nitro and WCW still made $60 million profit in 98.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 4:01 pm to
It was during Goldberg's WWE stint in 03. They got into an argument backstage (largely thanks to shite stirring by Nash), Goldberg charged Jericho and got put in a guillotine choke, Jericho went down to his back, Goldberg got out of it and pulled his hair. That was about it.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
27322 posts
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:40 pm to
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When Goldberg kicked Bret Hart did he just call it wrong or did he actually extend into Bret's face?


He was too close to Bret and couldn't pull the kick enough when he threw it. Typically the Superkick is thrown from quote a distance away with a cro-hop so you can really hit your opponent pretty softly.

But Bret was coming off the rope and slingshotted into Goldberg.

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Bret was also already heavily concussed because Goldberg didn't grab him correctly when he did hi patented Figure Four off the ring post, and hit the back of his head badly on the concrete floor.

Bill gets the blame (correctly so) but Bret should have never tried a move like that with someone who was so green to the business and had no idea what he was doing in the ring. That Figure 4 was always a sketchy move anyway fo Bret. It requires so much from your opponent not to hurt yourself.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 6:47 pm
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