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re: A Song of Ice and Fire (GoT "I read the book" thread)
Posted on 4/19/11 at 7:37 am to Joe
Posted on 4/19/11 at 7:37 am to Joe
In ten years he'll be dead so I hope not. Hopefully the HBO show will bring lots of new readers and they'll be more pressure for him to finish the last two Winds of Winter and Dreams of Spring If he doesn't finish maybe Brandon Sanderson will finish them for him 
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Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:14 am to fouldeliverer
Who is Brandon Sanderson?
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:19 am to Joe
Up and coming fantasy writer, he is finishing Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series after he passed away.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:19 am to fouldeliverer
I disagree about Cersei. I think her descent into madness makes perfect sense. Her firstborn is dead, her daughter is a hostage, her twin and other half has left her twisting in the wind, her father who was her safety net is dead, and the one thing she has always had, most beautiful, has been usurped by a younger queen. I read her chapters and I think 
And...the reason for the delay in the 5th book was the Mereneese Knot.
And...the reason for the delay in the 5th book was the Mereneese Knot.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:25 am to Volvagia
quote:think you could argue there were plenty of reasons that she spiraled down in madness.
she went from shrewd and crafty to in-fricking-sane and delusional with no real cause or build to it.
Spoilers:
Son is murdered in front of her by who she believes to be the brother she's hated all her life, while the brother she's been in love w/ her entire life pretty much wants nothing to do w/ her anymore. Tyrion also murdered their father, and now her hold on the throne is tenuous at best, while her daughter is off in Dorne as a hostage. She got what was coming to her and then some
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 10:33 am
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:27 am to SLC
quote:more like he's had an incredibly difficult time finishing ADWD bc of the "Meereneese Knot" time-line issue. He's gotten past that and the rest should not take near the time b/n books as this one. He wrote ASOS, the longest book currently published, in two yrs.
Martin is having a very difficult time finishing the series. Would love to hear some of the guesses as to why.
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 10:35 am
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:28 am to SLC
quote:I mean, I guess, but there's nothing really to support that theory over any other theory you could make up
One of my friends has an excellent theory. He says Martin doesn't know how to finish the Bran chapters because Martin doesn't know how to get his hands around the magic in the world. Almost every other fantasy series has a magic that is subject to certain rules. Martin's doesn't and he does not know how to develop Bran's character in relation to the powers Bran will need. In short, Martin doesn't know how to handle Bran's storyline.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:29 am to MediTiger
quote:
I disagree about Cersei. I think her descent into madness makes perfect sense. Her firstborn is dead, her daughter is a hostage, her twin and other half has left her twisting in the wind, her father who was her safety net is dead, and the one thing she has always had, most beautiful, has been usurped by a younger queen. I read her chapters and I think
And...the reason for the delay in the 5th book was the Mereneese Knot.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 10:38 am to MediTiger
I understand it, but the prophecy stuff bothered me.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 11:31 am to fouldeliverer
The fact that she's placing an increased emphasis on the prophecy is just a symptom of her overall decline in mental health.
I don't have any problems with Cersei going batshit.
Seems like a natural progression to me, considering the utter lack of decency she's displayed in previous books. She fits the paranoid dictator role well. She has no one she can trust anymore, and everyone she cares about is in danger.
Poor girl has been through some shite.
I don't have any problems with Cersei going batshit.
Seems like a natural progression to me, considering the utter lack of decency she's displayed in previous books. She fits the paranoid dictator role well. She has no one she can trust anymore, and everyone she cares about is in danger.
Poor girl has been through some shite.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 11:32 am to SpqrTiger
Well said I take your point.
But something to consider is, regardless if she is going insane. The prophecy is true...right?
But something to consider is, regardless if she is going insane. The prophecy is true...right?
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/19/11 at 11:42 am to Joe
quote:
I don't read a ton, but when I do I get in to it.
I think I'm gonna put Book 4 off a bit until the summer, as we get closer to the next book coming out. The semester is finishing up, and when I start a book I tend to not put it down until its done.
Yea I got about a few pages left in my current book that I’ll finish up this weekend. Then I got a conference all week next week and between 2 ~4 hour flights and sitting in a hotel room 5 nights I plan to start and finish the first and probably second books that week. I’m pumped
!Posted on 4/19/11 at 11:47 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:
But something to consider is, regardless if she is going insane. The prophecy is true...right?
I'll let Ned Stark answer your question.
"A madman sees what he sees."
Posted on 4/19/11 at 12:29 pm to Books
IMO Martin is providing a red herring and he's struggling to further develop the magical elements of the series.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 1:22 pm to fouldeliverer
quote:
But something to consider is, regardless if she is going insane. The prophecy is true...right?
You have to remember....SHE brought about the prophecy in her absolute desperation to forestall it. You could argue that it was a true prophecy (especially with the fates of the other 4 (? including the one who ran away))
Or one that she brought about weaving lies and plots and getting caught in her own web.
One thing I am not sure about is if she Margery (sp) is really a virgin/adultress.
Was Pycelle lying about the moon tea/he was just saying what he thought the Queen wanted to hear?
And about the Cersei insanity....yes I can see HOW it can be explained in retropect. I just contrast it to the change we saw in Jaime, and how he slowly shifted, culminating when he leapt into the bear pit after Brienne and Cersei's change just comes across as crude and abrupt.
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 4/19/11 at 1:25 pm to SLC
quote:
IMO Martin is providing a red herring and he's struggling to further develop the magical elements of the series.
FWIW, appearently he said the problem he was stuck on was how to deal with Dany. The fan speculation is how to transition her from a relatively minor ruler across the Narrow Sea, to an invading army into Westeros.
And how to actually conduct the invasion.
Why use a red herring saying you are stuck on one plot point rather than another?
I suspect both Dany and Bran will have roughly equal importance so it isn't like you are hiding a confession of something critical by saying the other.
Speaking of Bran's importance....what are your thoughts of Coldhand's story.
Anyone have any theories that are more creative and probable than Benjen Stark?
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 4/19/11 at 1:39 pm to Volvagia
quote:I wonder this as well.
One thing I am not sure about is if she Margery (sp) is really a virgin/adultress. Was Pycelle lying about the moon tea, or was he just saying what he thought the Queen wanted to hear?
Posted on 4/19/11 at 2:02 pm to Volvagia
Dany has a larger army than Aegon did, plus three dragons. Add the war in the 7 Kingdoms and those already wanting a change from the Lannisters and she'll be in a better position to invade and conquer than The original Targ. She mostly needs time to raise and train the dragons and her army.
I don't see Dany's storyline being the problem. Now tying Dany to Jon, Tyrion and Bran will have some challenges.
Coldhands - bad case of frost bite. I think the Benjin Stark theory is a romanticized view. It is a wide open storyline, I'm not sure GRRM knows what he's gonna do with it yet. I believe Coldhands is an envoy/rep from the Old Ones/Green Men or someone like that.
I don't see Dany's storyline being the problem. Now tying Dany to Jon, Tyrion and Bran will have some challenges.
Coldhands - bad case of frost bite. I think the Benjin Stark theory is a romanticized view. It is a wide open storyline, I'm not sure GRRM knows what he's gonna do with it yet. I believe Coldhands is an envoy/rep from the Old Ones/Green Men or someone like that.
Posted on 4/19/11 at 2:22 pm to SLC
You are talking vague outlines.
How do you TELL that story?
Problem is that you aren't the author...and the author has referred to problems with that in his blog.
Doesn't matter if you see a problem or not.
Maybe he doesn't know what to do with Bran either....but you can't just cling to your theory to the point of ignoring/disregarding what the author actually said...
How do you TELL that story?
quote:
I don't see Dany's storyline being the problem.
Problem is that you aren't the author...and the author has referred to problems with that in his blog.
Doesn't matter if you see a problem or not.
Maybe he doesn't know what to do with Bran either....but you can't just cling to your theory to the point of ignoring/disregarding what the author actually said...
This post was edited on 4/19/11 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/19/11 at 2:29 pm to Volvagia
I apologize If I've offended, not my intent. I'm on my phone, so yes me posts are short.
If you follow the "Not a Blog" GRRM has made references to struggling with Bran chapters.
Second, the same author has had a guy conquer 7 kingdoms with 3 dragons and a small army. Dany is already better equipped with 3 dragons and the Unsullied. But, who betrays her and when?
If you follow the "Not a Blog" GRRM has made references to struggling with Bran chapters.
Second, the same author has had a guy conquer 7 kingdoms with 3 dragons and a small army. Dany is already better equipped with 3 dragons and the Unsullied. But, who betrays her and when?
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