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re: 5/20- Chernobyl Episode 3 thread: "Open wide, O Earth"
Posted on 5/21/19 at 11:55 am to Damone
Posted on 5/21/19 at 11:55 am to Damone
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I think it's awesome how the show has so many horror elements to it. The dread you feel for characters is palpable.
The geiger counter popping is incredibly eerie. I love it
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Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:01 pm to GoRuckTiger
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Man the horrors of dying from extreme radiation exposure. Yikes! Nightmare fuel for sure. If I've learned one thing from this show it's that communism/socialism can never be allowed to get a foothold in this country. It needs to be crushed with no mercy given.
This had nothing to do with communism and could of easily happened here, almost did several times. We have killed a fair share of our own.
Good luck trying to get rid of socialism in this country. A good bit of us would fight you tooth and nail for some parts of it. You aren't taking my EPB internet or my job.
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:08 pm to Tigeralum2008
Such a great episode. I hate that this is just a miniseries.
These dudes when it really starts taking effect
It looks just like it happened in real life. The post the other day that showed 100 photos that had not been seen, the show runners are doing a really good job with the looks.
These dudes when it really starts taking effect
It looks just like it happened in real life. The post the other day that showed 100 photos that had not been seen, the show runners are doing a really good job with the looks.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:21 pm to Dam Guide
quote:You are confusing two things which this show is doing a great job of separating. The hero of the show is having to fight tooth and nail against a bureaucracy intent on keeping the truth contained. Everything the Kremlin does is based on that, even the good. But you have people on the ground doing what is right. Lots of them. So here is where you are wrong. It could have happened here. But the aftermath would have been entirely different from the start. And that’s what this story is about. We are entering the 3rd act which is the discovery of the truth and the implications that result. We already know our hero commits suicide. Think about that.
This had nothing to do with communism and could of easily happened here, almost did several times.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:42 pm to ell_13
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You are confusing two things which this show is doing a great job of separating. The hero of the show is having to fight tooth and nail against a bureaucracy intent on keeping the truth contained. Everything the Kremlin does is based on that, even the good. But you have people on the ground doing what is right. Lots of them. So here is where you are wrong. It could have happened here. But the aftermath would have been entirely different from the start. And that’s what this story is about. We are entering the 3rd act which is the discovery of the truth and the implications that result. We already know our hero commits suicide. Think about that.
Study 3 Mile Island, they did some of the same stuff keeping a tight lid on things til it was necessary. If you don't think our government won't do the same, you are out of your mind.
I know the bureaucracy of our plants first hand.
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:48 pm to Dam Guide
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You are confusing two things which this show is doing a great job of separating. The hero of the show is having to fight tooth and nail against a bureaucracy intent on keeping the truth contained. Everything the Kremlin does is based on that, even the good. But you have people on the ground doing what is right. Lots of them. So here is where you are wrong. It could have happened here. But the aftermath would have been entirely different from the start. And that’s what this story is about. We are entering the 3rd act which is the discovery of the truth and the implications that result. We already know our hero commits suicide. Think about that.
Study 3 Mile Island, they did some of the same stuff keeping a tight lid on things til it was necessary. If you don't think our government won't do the same, you are out of your mind.
Its certainly an interesting thing to think about. Would our gov't do things to the extent that the USSR did to cover up truths? I would hope not, but I really have no idea.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 12:54 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Its certainly an interesting thing to think about. Would our gov't do things to the extent that the USSR did to cover up truths? I would hope not, but I really have no idea.
It would be a lot harder to do today with the internet both here and there. They would certainly try to keep things contained until necessary for emergency reasons. That's part of emergency preparations. You don't just blurt out all is doomed.
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 1:04 pm to Dam Guide
quote:As do I.
I know the bureaucracy of our plants first hand.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 2:54 pm to Dam Guide
quote:Considering how the RUS has handled situations in Ukraine in this decade. They've learned from their mistakes as far as disseminating information to the public goes.
It would be a lot harder to do today with the internet both here and there. They would certainly try to keep things contained until necessary for emergency reasons. That's part of emergency preparations. You don't just blurt out all is doomed.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:46 pm to ell_13
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At this point, I’m not sure if the scientists knew of the design flaws of the reactor. Did they know about the steam buildup problem where the steam voids simply created more steam voids which caused the spike in power? Did they know only 12 cores were under automatic control and the auto shutoff didn’t have enough of them to shut it down?
The RBMK's positive void coefficient was known, but you really couldn't talk about it. The RBMK was the pinnacle of Soviet nuclear power generation and it was unhealthy to discuss its flaws freely. I would expect that there was a level in the bureaucracy below which complete understanding of the system, it's workings, it's flaws, etc., wasn't encouraged or even allowed. Below that level those people were just told what to do and when to do it; they were told what the higher ups thought they needed to know. The operators saying "we did everything right" over and over ring a bell? They likely knew that they were supposed to hit this big button when this happened, but during the event, smashing that button brought another design flaw into play (that'll certainly be covered by our intrepid nuclear physicist) that, along with the positive void coefficient and the state of the reactor, doomed the reactor.
During normal operation though, the positive void coefficient really wasn't a problem, as the design of the reactor meant that the void coefficient acted over seconds and minutes, well within the control system's ability to respond to. However, as they're certainly going to get into with the investigation, when the reactor ISN'T running normally, the RBMK's numerous design flaws brought into play at the same time with the right reactor state were a killer.
The technical aspects of the disaster are as fascinating as the political aspects.
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 3:57 pm to TigerstuckinMS
It was the graphite on the control rods that they knew about causing a sudden spike in power because of the water they displaced. That had apparently happened before in a SCRAM, but they ignored it because the SCRAM worked. I say they knew the cause but that’s honestly an assumption as well. I need to read more than just the wiki pages to get a better understanding of the lessons learned as well as the minute details of the explosions. Although it seems there’s plenty of disagreement there.
Posted on 5/21/19 at 4:01 pm to 225bred
Just wanted to say this is one of the most surreal shows I’ve ever watched. It’s extremely well done and puts it into perspective for an event such as this having never happened before.
Nobody knew what the frick to do.
ETA: could you imagine if the brass had actually carried through with doing nothing and that scientist didn’t stand up to correct them?? (Assuming that was all accurate and he took the lead on telling them everyone is about to die lol)
Nobody knew what the frick to do.
ETA: could you imagine if the brass had actually carried through with doing nothing and that scientist didn’t stand up to correct them?? (Assuming that was all accurate and he took the lead on telling them everyone is about to die lol)
This post was edited on 5/21/19 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 5/21/19 at 4:04 pm to Shepherd88
Same thing in Japan. Because of this show I’ve watched a few docs on that one. Talk about something that could have been a million times worse.
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