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re: You want expansion? You HAD expansion
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:42 pm to TX Tiger
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:42 pm to TX Tiger
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Wrong. I want to use a 140-team, 13-game season-long playoff to determine a champion of that season; a system that made college football the greatest sport on earth.
But it's not a playoff if teams that WIN ALL OF THEIR GAMES still get eliminated. That's not a playoff, that's a popularity contest.
quote:
Yes, Alabama has already beaten Georgia.
Which is why if there were another undefeated conference champion, (like if Louisiana hadn't lost to Texas week one) I would have been arguing for Georgia to have been eliminated from the playoff.
Here's the problem with eye-tests and subjectively ranking two teams that have not played one-another and have no common-opponents...it doesn't work. Football is a game filled with upsets, where the transitive property already is meaningless. Games don't go according to chalk. Every year, there are vastly inferior teams which beat teams with far more talent than them. FCS teams upset FBS teams EVERY YEAR. Yet, you think the gap between an undefeated G5 Conference Champ and a 1 loss P5 Champ is so great that they don't even need to play each other to determine who is better? That's the height of arrogance, and it's also not very fun to watch.
Yet, you think that's enough to exclude teams that win every game. I can't tell if you're a troll, a hypocrite, or just the biggest f&%king biased moron in America.
I want a playoff system that ensures that biases don't allow undefeated G5 teams to get excluded, make use of objective metrics like conference champions to determine who is in/out, and within which human committees or polls play a minimal roll and have zero influence on 75% of the playoff spots.
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 7:44 pm
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Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:45 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Option 1: No national championship game. Polls decide who is the best.
Option 2: Polls decide which two teams play for a national championship.
Option 3: A small committee decides which 4 teams play for a national championship.
Don't you see that ALL of those options suck?
Yes.
Then what is your solution? What is your system that is better than all of those terrible systems that I want College Football to put in its rearview mirror? Because, you seem to have argued for Option 1 and Option 2 at various times in this thread.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 7:59 pm to kingbob
quote:Here, let me help you...
Wrong. I want to use a 140-team, 13-game season-long playoff to determine a champion of that season; a system that made college football the greatest sport on earth.
But it's not a playoff if teams that WIN ALL OF THEIR GAMES still get eliminated.
play·off
noun
a series of contests played to determine the winner of a championship
You're crying for expanded playoffs when we already had a 140-team, 13-game playoff.
quote:This isn't the NFL. There are 140 teams in college football. The gap is as wide as the Grand Canyon. The fact that this has to be explained to you says a lot about your knowledge on the subject.
you think the gap between an undefeated G5 Conference Champ and a 1 loss P5 Champ is so great that they don't even need to play each other to determine who is better? That's the height of arrogance
quote:
I want a playoff system that ensures that biases don't allow undefeated G5 teams to get excluded
I was wrong; you're not a hypocrite, you're a masochist.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:00 pm to TX Tiger
If you think that is so, why not let those P5 champs prove their dominance on the field?
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:03 pm to TX Tiger
We never had a 140 team playoff we had multiple 10-14 game seasons where individuals banded together and voted on who the felt were the best.
It was the most subjective, biased, and corruptible system in literally all of American sports, from pop-Warner up to professional sports, in existence.
It was the most subjective, biased, and corruptible system in literally all of American sports, from pop-Warner up to professional sports, in existence.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:05 pm to kingbob
quote:A 140-team, 13-game season-long playoff, like college football used to have when college football was king.
Then what is your solution?
It's far from perfect but infinitely better than playing a full 13-game schedule, and then flushing it all down the toilet in favor of playoff blowouts involving teams determined by the same method that caused playoff advocates to run around with their hair on fire.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:11 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
A 140-team, 13-game season-long playoff, like college football used to have when college football was king.
But what you're describing not only isn't a playoff but also never existed in the first place. You're a f&%king broken record at this point.
Why not have all of the conference champions face each other in bowls, then seed the winners of those bowl games into a playoff? Basically, it would give you the soul of the old college football (Big 10 vs PAC 12 in the Rose Bowl, SEC vs Big 12 in the Sugar, ACC vs Big East in the Orange Bowl), but then add the extra fun of finding out who really is the best of the regional champs.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:11 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:We've already discussed all these things in this thread. 9 out of 10 times the best team was obvious and voting was a mere formality.
We never had a 140 team playoff we had multiple 10-14 game seasons where individuals banded together and voted on who the felt were the best.
quote:
It was the most subjective, biased, and corruptible system in literally all of American sports, from pop-Warner up to professional sports, in existence.
O.K. I'm done. Once again, all this has already been discussed in this thread.
It is beyond naive to believe that corruption is going to be eradicated by an expanded playoff system.
JESUS!
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:15 pm to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
Oilfieldbiology
No matter what ya say,TX Tiger is gonna stick to his absurd assertions and outright falsehoods to back up his opinions.
I've called em out on his numerous half-truths and falsehoods and he does nothing
more than double down.
This post was edited on 1/2/22 at 8:19 pm
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:15 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
9 out of 10 times the best team was obvious and voting was a mere formality.
Except it wasn't. That's a lie, a bold faced lie. Nearly every year had multiple teams from different regions of the country that had a decent claim to the crown. However, they if you weren't a blue blood, the media just ignored it because there was no way to settle that debate on the field.
On the field > eye test EVERY SINGLE TIME
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:33 pm to TX Tiger
quote:
Pre-BCS we had a 130-team playoff.
If it was so great, who won in 1997 - Nebraska or Michigan? What about 1991 - Washington or Miami? How about 1990 - Colorado or Georgia Tech?
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:43 pm to kingbob
quote:
Why not have all of the conference champions face each other in bowls, then seed the winners of those bowl games into a playoff?
that's basically what we're doing right now
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:44 pm to TX Tiger
1. The method your extolling doesn’t always decide a single champion. There are countless year where there were split championships.
2. Playoffs don’t throw out your record considering your record determines whether you get in or not.
3. College football isn’t king because it couldn’t name a concrete champion. Football is just the most entertaining sport to watch.
4. You complain about blowouts in the CFP when your 130 team method you love so much is FULL of blowouts.
2. Playoffs don’t throw out your record considering your record determines whether you get in or not.
3. College football isn’t king because it couldn’t name a concrete champion. Football is just the most entertaining sport to watch.
4. You complain about blowouts in the CFP when your 130 team method you love so much is FULL of blowouts.
Posted on 1/2/22 at 8:51 pm to TX Tiger
Your arguing for option 1.
There was no time a champion wasn’t decided by polls, the BCS game and Polls or the CFP.
There was no time a champion wasn’t decided by polls, the BCS game and Polls or the CFP.
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