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re: You gotta commend Ty Lue for rallying the Troops After the JR Smith Debacle

Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:51 am to
Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:51 am to
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I think we can excuse him for looking deflated at that point. But he still came out to play for OT even if the rest of the team didn't.


People are acting like he was horrible in OT. IIRC, he setup his team mates for two wide open shots in the first two possessions, they bricked, and just like that GS was up 8. You don't make up that kind of lead in OT.
Posted by hiltacular
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:52 am to
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i just think he's the guy with all the credibility to tell people, all right we're going to win this thing. don't worry about anything because it's overtime. it's a new game. we're right here, this close, let's go win.


The problem is that his team mates were horrible all game it's not like they were playing well at any point
Posted by 13SaintTiger
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 11:53 am to
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Meh, every person in the in game thread thought/knew Cleveland stood no chance in OT. Everyone on the planet had that belief. It is disingenuous to criticize LeBron for being dejected when he probably deserves to feel that way more than anyone.


It was nothing short of destiny that the Cavs lose that game. They caught zero breaks
Posted by DelU249
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Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:00 pm to
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I get feeling that way, but if you allow yourself to feel that way and wear those feelings on your sleeve, that’s just giving up when the game wasn’t out of their reach. It’s tied. Overtime. They’re the home team. You have them on the ropes.



Honestly, he showed more restraint than most. The "feelings on his sleeve" reaction would have been for him to choke the life out of JR Smith right there in front of the scorer's table in front of the entire world
Posted by navy
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:02 pm to
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1st matchup - Cavs win if Irving and Love play. However lose in 6



If you are going to make this assertion ... then follow it with this...

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2nd matchup - Cavs win in 7



Then you may want to add: "Warriors win if Draymond is not suspended for Game 5"


The only facts are that the Warriors won 1st matchup in 6 and Cavs won 2nd matchup in 7.


The rest is speculation/opinion.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:04 pm to
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That’s a mentality that will result in you losing every time. It’s not like they were down 28-3. It’s tied. You can’t give up when it’s tied.


He didn't give up, though. He was smart/aggressive/assertive to start OT, and his teammates (predictably) let him down yet again.

His reaction at the end of regulation was acknowledgment of how fricked they were. The good news was that they'd pushed GSW to OT.

The bad news was that they'd pushed GSW to OT.
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Posted by slackster
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:11 pm to
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I'd want to kill him too, but if you want to win, what does JR Smith and the others need to hear/see? you can let that last play be the difference or you can just move past it and focus on what's next.


I get it, he wasn't rallying the troops, but I don't know if there is a player in history that can recover from that kind of gut punch.

We can say what Jordan or Kobe would have done, but we really don't know.
Posted by Goldrush25
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:16 pm to
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that's the difference to me. you stand 0% chance winning when the best player on your team, the one in charge displaying that and allowing others to feel that way. you gotta slap heads and get them focused. don't worry about what just happened, focus on what's about to happen.


How you're suggesting he should've reacted is a lot easier said than done.
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Posted by slackster
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:18 pm to
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i just see nothing but negativity in that video.


I see one guy who missed a game winning FT, one guy who didn't know the score and dribbled out the clock, and one guy that had 49 points in regulation.

They only negativity is when LeBron finds out about the timeout situation.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:19 pm to
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only do you need to keep those emotions locked up, you have to project the opposite.


That's a little unreasonable. I know that's what you want on paper, but in the heat of that moment, you have to allow a player to vent a bit. The onus is on Lue to project that stabilizing influence.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:20 pm to
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Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:26 pm to
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what makes this so odd is it's not really that big of a gut punch. the game is tied after all. you're not losing, there's fresh clock so you have some room to breathe.


That doesn't take context into account. The Cavs had just turned in their best 47 minutes 55.9 seconds of the postseason only to piss away a golden chance. You know what's coming from GSW in OT. The cavs collectively knew they had no counter.

You're supposed to feign confidence, but in moments like that, the HC has to be that person to start such.
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Posted by slackster
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:31 pm to
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hate to see someone get that far and give up when there's no real reason to. you're right there and so close.


I know, but they didn't give up. It's not like they're bickering and fighting on the sidelines. They clip starts 5 seconds after the game ends. They basically take a 90 second breather before Lue even enters the picture.

They're back on the court 60 seconds later.

Also, it's worth noting that this is basically how every timeout works with Cleveland and LeBron. He doesn't talk, he just sits there trying to catch as much of a break as possible.

Posted by Goldrush25
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:32 pm to
No one's actually arguing against your logic. It's just that how you're suggesting he react in that moment is a lot harder to actually execute, especially when the situation couldn't have been predicted or game planned for.

You manage emotions well in situations because you been in them before. If you haven't been in those particular circumstances before it's difficult. It's wasn't just another tie game.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:32 pm to
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Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/4/18 at 12:33 pm to
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venting is a luxury they didn't have time for. that's being soft and weak in the moment where you need to be strong. you have to be that guy in that moment or you're going to lose because no one else can or will.


That’s the moment he realized he’s gotta move again. Took him a minute to process it
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