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re: Yahoo: Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players

Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:49 pm to
Posted by schuhbdoo3
Member since Dec 2010
252 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:49 pm to
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What did Miami do to piss this guy off so much to blab?


Completely turned their back on a renegade booster with all the goods on them.

Same thing that will evidentually bring down Aweburn!!!

It brought down SMU. The guys that burned SMU died at like 35. Got tossed to the side after a so so career and then burned SMU to the ground. Look it up.


What sunk the SMU program was evidence from a former linebacker that he got $750 a month to induce him to be a good little Pony.

In June of 1986, WFAA-TV got a tip about the continuing payments and they tracked down David Stanley who had played linebacker for the Mustangs in 1983 and 1984. Stanley claimed he was paid $25,000 to sign with SMU and received monthly payments while playing. He also said he continued to get paid after SMU went on probation, and he had kept the envelopes the money came in. The envelopes were dated and in the hand writing of SMU recruiting coordinator Henry Lee Parker.

This dude brought down SMU. Nevin Shapiro single handedly brought down UM!!!!!!!!!!


Schuhbdoo3
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 10:19 pm
Posted by Fidel Castro
Dangit Raul
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:55 pm to
death penalty
Posted by schuhbdoo3
Member since Dec 2010
252 posts
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:07 pm to
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death penalty


WHAT THIS GUY SAID!!!
Posted by BASCTiger
34247 posts
Member since Jul 2010
5146 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 12:06 am to
Media is making Miami look like the victims. BULLSHITE!


That program was involved in everything that is wrong with college athletics and they got away with it for years. If they don't get the death penalty no one will. I think colleges are already out of control and it will only get worse until the NCAA starts hammering shite programs like AU & Miami.
Posted by blzr
MB
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/19/11 at 2:56 pm to
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NCAA starts hammering shite programs like AU & Miami.



One of these is not like the other
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79747 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 4:11 pm to
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NCAA starts hammering shite programs like AU & Miami.


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One of these is not like the other


Maybe not right now.

But we all know it's coming.
Posted by blzr
MB
Member since Mar 2011
30101 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 4:55 pm to
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But we all know it's coming.





Of course you do
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
91648 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 5:38 pm to
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Maybe not right now.

But we all know it's coming.


Hold your breathe and get back to us later.
Posted by The411
Member since Dec 2010
86 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 6:17 pm to
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He provided photo's ,receipts . and has eye witnesses that backed up his stories.
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There's no proof regarding when those photos were taken and the receipts do not prove that those items were bought for UM players.

I can show you a receipt with my Discover card but that doesn't mean I bought Jordan Jefferson a $1000 watch.


What would it take for you to believe the Hurricane players holding up a sign saying Nelvin Shapiro bought me this suit in the photos?

Yes, I can't prove that your $1,000.00 watch purchase was for Jordan Jefferson, but when the store owner who has no affiliation to you, Jefferson, LSU, or any other related party, says," Yes, I sold the watch to you and I was fitting it on Jordan Jefferson's wrist and there's a receipt indicating the $1,000.00 purchase you're in hot water.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18442 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 8:19 pm to
READ THIS


Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims

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This post was edited on 8/19/11 at 8:22 pm
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
Member since Jan 2004
7195 posts
Posted on 8/19/11 at 9:02 pm to
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EAD THIS


That's a crap story by a UM log licker.
Posted by DocBugbear
Arlington, Texas
Member since Mar 2008
7958 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 2:40 am to
Eh, it doesn't matter what you or I think. It matters what the NCAA thinks. We'll know soon enough.
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45794 posts
Posted on 8/20/11 at 10:53 am to
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We'll know soon enough.


Doubt it
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
33949 posts
Posted on 8/22/11 at 5:44 am to
Tommy Craggs on Charles Robinson, makes some interesting points about the fruitlessness of the Miami investigation and why it misses the point.

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A few months ago, I had an angry but illuminating exchange on Facebook with Charles Robinson, author of Tuesday's big Yahoo hoo-hah about the Miami Hurricanes. The topic then was Jim Tressel, but it might as well have been Miami or Reggie Bush or any of the many subjects of big Yahoo hoo-hahs over the years. I'd written that Robinson and some of his colleagues had turned themselves into "mall cops for the NCAA"—the de facto enforcement arm for an organization whose rules aren't worth enforcing to begin with.
Robinson took exception. I was, he wrote, "the curbside preacher" who was "complaining that everyone else is missing the point, but never offering a realistic or well-thought solution." I told him his quest to show the NCAA's structural flaws by ferreting out individual violations was "akin to demonstrating the futility of marijuana laws by exposing every dude who packs a bowl on Friday night," and that "running through the streets like a screeching pack of Carrie Nations, holding up the NCAA bylaws like a King James Bible," wasn't going to change anything.

He suggested my only idea was "letting total anarchy off the leash and then hoping for the best." I told him he needed a blowjob. He told me I was a "self-fellating dickwad." The whole exchange can be found here, and I offer it to you fully aware that I come off like something of a prick. But it is a glimpse into the ingenuous logic of an investigative reporter covering a disingenuous institution like college football. Before things quite finished going downhill, Robinson explained why he does what he does:

Our coverage has largely orbited around larger systemic problems beyond just the kids (coaches, institutional failings, conference powerbrokers, etc.) - and yes, you're right...we don't agree on the NCAA...I think despite its obvious problems that it is better that it exists than having no governing body at all.

I should say here that I bear Charles no ill will and that I think he's one of the best reporters in the country. But as our exchange shows, he also makes for the weirdest of crusaders: a righteous, high-minded reformer who wants nothing more than the status quo, give or take.

What's the moral of Robinson's Miami story, anyway? At one point, he writes:

Now feeling outcast, the booster said his goal is to rip away the façade of ‘The U', and reveal an ugly truth about one of the country's most celebrated college football programs.

But this is Miami. The U. The school that once made SI break out the Esquire-on-My Lai cover. The façade is the ugly truth. What Robinson's story really documents, between the lines, is the messy aftermath to a scandal very much like the one he just exposed. The key passage:

"Here's the thing: Luther Campbell was the first uncle who took care of players before I got going," [Nevin] Shapiro said, referring to the entertainer notorious for supplying cash to Miami players in the 1980s and 1990s. "His role was diminished by the NCAA and the school, and someone needed to pick up that mantle. That someone was me. He was 'Uncle Luke', and I became 'Little Luke.'"

We first learned the extent of Luther Campbell's involvement in the Miami program from a blowout report similar in spirit if not in scope to Robinson's. That story, written in 1994 by Ken Rodriguez and Dan Le Batard, revealed that Campbell "had a pay scale for big games: $50 for a caused fumble or a fumble recovery, $100 for a sack, a block that flattens an opponent, an interception or a touchdown, and $200 for an interception returned for a touchdown." (To this day, Campbell disputes their account.)

The whole thing played out the way these scandals always play out. Cheating was exposed. An investigation was launched. Rules were enforced. Punishment was levied. A coach blew town. The System asserted itself. God was in his heaven, and all was right with the world. And then, because nothing whatsoever had changed about the bad underlying incentives of a labor market in which the "amateurs" who do the work are denied any percentage of the revenue they generate, the cheating was merely sent further underground—low enough that an oily, burrowing hustler like Nevin Shapiro could grab some of the action. The rules create the sin, and the enforcement only deepens it. That's not the story Robinson tells, however. That story seems to unfold entirely behind his back. Like all big Yahoo hoo-hahs, the story he does tell is great college-football porno—yachts and bounties and lapdancers wriggling all up and down the NCAA bylaws—but in the end his reporting only further sanctifies the rules that give us someone like Shapiro in the first place. The Nevin Shapiros of the world don't exist despite college football's governing body. They exist because of it.


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And here's part of his e-mail exchange with Robinson.

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As mentioned here, this is my Facebook exchange with Yahoo reporter Charles Robinson. I've edited out only the comments from innocent bystanders.

Charles Robinson: Blah blah blah. Tommy and I have had this discussion, but I'll say it one more time. If I'm wasting my time being a "mall cop", Tommy is wasting his time being the curbside preacher, with his endless sermon about how the "real" problem is right in front of our faces.I'm still waiting for Tommy to offer a "real" solution to the problem. Maybe it isn't the media running around and holding people accountable for the rules that are on the books. But I sure as hell know it isn't sitting on my arse and complaining that everyone is missing the point, but never offering a realistic or well-thought solution

CR: And for the record, I like Tommy. He's a far better writer than I'll ever be. I've probably forwarded more of his work than anyone I know. But we don't see eye to eye on this one. And I'll be damned if I watch him spit on good journalists as "mall cops".

CR: The idea that reporters are somehow unaware that the NCAA is a massively flawed institution is absolute myth. Outside of the BCS, there isn't a body in college sports that suffers more criticism and bashing on a national, regional or even a household scale. Tens of thousands of inches are devoted every year to criticizing the NCAA. And there isn't a single rational person who doesn't see at least some issues with how the structure is set up. But there is also an overriding laziness to the argument of many critics, because they fail to actually promote any kind of realistic theories of how to change. Saying "pay them" or "it's an economics issue" just isn't good enough. Particularly when the next breath is to diminish the work of journalists who are out there at least attempting to expose parts of the charade. The world is not an all or nothing place.

Tommy Craggs: I don't want to get into this again, Charles, but I'll tell you what I told Wetzel: What you guys are trying to do — demonstrate the fecklessness of the NCAA by exposing every NCAA violation across the land — is roughly akin to demonstrating the futility of marijuana laws by exposing every dude who packs a bowl on a Friday night. You begin from the assumption, in your reporting if not in your personal beliefs, that the NCAA is a worthwhile institution with flaws. I begin from the assumption that the NCAA should be dynamited. I guess that isn't the Real Adult Solution you're looking for, but I'm not sure how running through the streets like a screeching pack of Carrie Nations, holding up the NCAA bylaws like a King James Bible, is going to change a damn thing.



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This post was edited on 8/22/11 at 6:01 am
Posted by gatorrocks
Lake Mary, FL
Member since Oct 2007
13969 posts
Posted on 8/22/11 at 3:13 pm to
It seems like the Miami beat writers and fans are pissed about Robinson and trying to discredit him. Meanwhile, they were the sames one cheering Robinson on when he wrote about USC and Ohio State.

Double standard...

Miami is going down and going down hard just like the other two programs.
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