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re: Wow, Emmert taking a beating as a stumbling, bumbling NCAA Pres
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:27 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:27 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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but as a capitalist, I can offer you $100 for an interview
What you are describing is bribery, not capitalism.
This post was edited on 2/19/13 at 1:30 pm
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Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:32 pm to H-Town Tiger
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What you are describing is bribery, not capitalism.
So, when CBS news pays for an interview, it is bribe? Ok.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:34 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:Aside from all the valid point HTown made, how credible do you think information is if you have to pay to get it?
So, they paid people for information? Maybe, I am missing something, but what is the big deal?
This post was edited on 2/19/13 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:35 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:An illegal interview where they're being paid to basically rat someone out?
So, when CBS news pays for an interview, it is bribe? Ok.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:36 pm to PuntBamaPunt
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They bribed the bankruptcy lawyer to ask a list of their questions, under oath, which were irrelevant to the hearing.
Ah, now this is problematic.
But I still disagree that, in general, the NCAA paying someone to sit at the table is illegal. It may be sleazy, but they don't have the power to force people to participate: see, Reggie Bush case. And as pointed out by jacks, the first thing I would do as the school is point out that the info was tainted because the NCAA paid to obtain it.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:38 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
quote:If you were on trial for something, anything, how would you feel if you found out the witnesses testifying against you were being paid?
But I still disagree that, in general, the NCAA paying someone to sit at the table is illegal. It may be sleazy, but they don't have the power to force people to participate: see, Reggie Bush case. And as pointed out by jacks, the first thing I would do as the school is point out that the info was tainted because the NCAA paid to obtain it.
Do you think maybe you'd think they were just saying whatever they were told to say to get that money?
Hell, other way around, if you were on a jury, would you find testimony from someone paid to say something credible?
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:41 pm to shel311
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An illegal interview where they're being paid to basically rat someone out?
The way the "interview" was done was the problem. They could pay anyone they want to interview about the issue. Imagine paying for an interview with someone that is going to rat out Lance Armstrong 10 years ago. Is that illegal? No. Now, can you discredit that info? Yes.
But paying a person deposing someone on an unrelated issue is a different situation.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:42 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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But I still disagree that, in general, the NCAA paying someone to sit at the table is illegal.
It's not illegal. It's unethical and improper because it violates their own rules.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:42 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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So, when CBS news pays for an interview, it is bribe? Ok
If CBS pays someone to reveal information they are not legally allowed to obtain, yes, that is pretty much the text book definition of bribery.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:49 pm to shel311
And as the school, you would try to discredit the info obtained. If it is just testimony, you can probably do a great job of discrediting it. But if the rat turns over hard evidence, then what?
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:51 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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But I still disagree that, in general, the NCAA paying someone to sit at the table is illegal
I don't think the bankruptcy court and the judicial system in general will appreciate the NCAA using it as an information gathering tool for matters not on any court docket.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:52 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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And as the school, you would try to discredit the info obtained. If it is just testimony, you can probably do a great job of discrediting it. But if the rat turns over hard evidence, then what?
If the NCAA paid for it, they can't use it because it was obtained outside their rules for obtaining admissible evidence.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 2:08 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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But if the rat turns over hard evidence, then what?
then there is no need for the NCAA to pay to get someone to ask questions in a hearing unrelated to the matter the of the hearing now is there.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 2:09 pm to tigerpimpbot
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If the NCAA paid for it, they can't use it because it was obtained outside their rules for obtaining admissible evidence.
i love this irony. we want to nail some one for allegedly violating NCAA rules and the only way the NCAA can get the info is by....violating NCAA rules.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 2:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
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i love this irony. we want to nail some one for allegedly violating NCAA rules and the only way the NCAA can get the info is by....violating NCAA rules.
It's so good. As much as I dislike Donna Shalala, she is hammering the NCAA for this, and I agree with her 100%.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 2:45 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
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And as the school, you would try to discredit the info obtained. If it is just testimony, you can probably do a great job of discrediting it.
Yes, IF the NCAA allows the school to also interview the person making claims against you. But the NCAA doesn't allow that if they don't want to. It basically goes like this....
Scumbag: "I gave illegal benefits to athletes at School X and the school knew."
NCAA: "Oh shite, School X, you're going down unless you can prove Scumbag is lying."
School X: "Okay. We need to interview this guy and hear what he told you so we can fight this."
NCAA: "No. He already told us a bunch of stuff and even though he's a criminal we believe him. You can't cross examine him."
School X: "Okay, well, how are we supposed to prove he's fabricating stuff if we can't interview him ourself?"
NCAA: BANHAMMER.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 4:13 pm to shel311
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The NCAA is a horrible, horrible organization.
Plus many.
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