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re: Woj: Silver Exploring "Nuclear" Option on Sterling

Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:16 am to
Posted by undecided
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:16 am to
Try reading the article linked in the OP
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:16 am to
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I wouldn't. Obviously their boss can look past his personal feelings and see the business side of the situation (otherwise he wouldn't hire a black coach, etc...). I couldn't care less about my bosses personal views on life.
The truth in all of this is that it's less about that, and it's more about the harm Sterling has caused to the Clippers and NBA brand. That's the issue.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:16 am to
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Well Doc Rivers has already said he won't be coaching there past the end of the season


Link?
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:16 am to
He said he would have to think about staying. Nothing definitive yet.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112842 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:17 am to
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Try reading the article linked in the OP
Can't, blocked at work.

I don't see anything about Rivers saying he's not returning on ESPN, seems like that would be newsworthy.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112842 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:18 am to
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He said he would have to think about staying. Nothing definitive yet.
So the guy who told me to try reading an article didn't try to read an article?
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:18 am to
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Maybe this is revisionist of me, but I feel there is more outrage over this than the Poe Pa/Sandusky situation


We will see when the sanctions come down, but it is very revisionist of you. The Clippers equivalent sanctions would allow any player to walk on to another team with current contract/find a new contract if they so desired, 4 year postseason ban, the salary cap chopped down to a much smaller size, erasing the history of Clippers basketball, and a $75 million fine.

We will see if there are tens of thousands of people protesting outside Clippers stadium today due to their "outrage".

Racism fricking blows, but it's ingrained in the culture in this country on every side of the fence: i.e. for every Donald Sterling, there's a Jesse Jackson who does nothing but pump his ego at the expense of the greater good. Molesting dozens of children by leveraging your football program as bait is despicable and deplorable human activity.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:19 am to
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Doesn't that contradict what you've been saying for a couple of days now, though?


Nope. I've been saying for the last couple of days that there are many more pertinent basketball factors at play.

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No, but at the very least, you gotta admit that they've been inconsistent in regards to this subject.


How have they been inconsistent?

I could see it if they said at one point that they didn't think that Sterling was racist, and now are recanting, but working for someone doesn't mean you condone their bigotry or are obligated to silence if and when that bigotry is made manifest.
Posted by HollierThanThou
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:19 am to
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When Sterling became reluctant to honor Rivers' sign-and-trade agreement for J.J. Redick, there was a belief race played a factor. As one league source said, "He thought it was too much to pay for a white player."


Well at least he's still a smart businessman
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112842 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:22 am to
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Nope. I've been saying for the last couple of days that there are many more pertinent basketball factors at play
I mean, you're saying they shouldn't worry about his moral compass while the past couple of days saying they should be mad and all kinds of stuff, no?

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but working for someone doesn't mean you condone their bigotry or are obligated to silence if and when that bigotry is made manifest
If this outrages them, why wouldn't all the other stuff have outraged them enough to not go there? That seems inconsistent.

The other stuff was much, much worse fwiw.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 9:23 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:23 am to
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Well at least he's still a smart businessman
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:23 am to
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One by one, the owners are issuing statements of condemnation on Sterling. Most are sincere, and some are self-preservation. For so long, the rest of the NBA's owners never minded Sterling, because he was never a threat. The Clippers missed the playoffs over and over, bungled trades and draft picks, and the competitive advantages of leaving Sterling in place far outdistanced the moral outrage of his despicable history on race and decency.

Through the years, his racism has been sometimes subtle and often overt. For those failing to understand why a racist like Sterling never preferred white players, it cut to the heart of his stereotypical stances on athleticism and strength and talent.

Mostly, he's never loved paying white players. In that way, he has an absolute plantation prism with which he sees players: He always preferred long, strong, physical players. To him, that's a basketball player: Big, black and strong.

When Sterling became reluctant to honor Rivers' sign-and-trade agreement for J.J. Redick, there was a belief race played a factor. As one league source said, "He thought it was too much to pay for a white player."

Yes, Sterling didn't want to so easily part with Eric Bledsoe, despite Rivers telling him they could never afford to pay Bledsoe in restricted free agency next summer. That was part of it, yes, but those who knew Sterling – who had history with him – believed largely that his disdain for paying $7 million per year for a white player caused him pause.

It wasn't just black players that Sterling discriminated against. His bias and prejudice are seen in every aspect of how he runs his team. However, with the release of the tapes in the age of social media his practices will be even more highly scrutinized and disseminated by the public casting negative publicity on the entire league. The owners are being backed into a corner now and forced to act based on what's best for business.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 9:33 am
Posted by Judge Mental
Member since Mar 2007
500 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:24 am to
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I think his point is this tPOS has been a tPOS forever and widely known. Because he is now on tape proving it isn't a new revelation.
Widely known but not really on the general public's radar until now, so yes, naturally there will be more "outrage" (a nice word for those trying to minimize/undermine legitimate comments).

Regardless, I don't think that was his point. It's a big deal.
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:25 am to
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So the guy who told me to try reading an article didn't try to read an article?

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Rivers will never return as president and coach under Sterling, sources told Yahoo Sports, and that'll start the beginning of a player mutiny that could result with several top Clippers also demanding out of the franchise.
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
61157 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:27 am to
He will return. If ratings stay the same then the NBA brand isn't hurt by this. Most people aremart enough to know its one idiots opinion.

All this will blow over soon enough. People have done terrible things and still get a TV show. Companies know that if they just with stand the initial storm people get tired if its not wrapped up by end of the week. Its why the mob mentality wants justice swiftly, it allows them to feel like they have power(which they love because lack power IRL)and move onto next weeks hot topic to be mad at.

Isn't there a missing plane out there? That seemed to be pretty popular few weeks ago. Now ifu bring it up people are "you're still talking about that plane?"
People are lazy and not really upset outside initial burst of pack attack thinking. Then NBA brand is fine
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134141 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:27 am to
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I mean, you're saying they shouldn't worry about his moral compass while the past couple of days saying they should be mad and all kinds of stuff, no?


I'm saying that the owners' moral compass cannot be a huge factor in determining where to play/coach if you're serious about winning in this league. Things like team composition/team chemistry/coaching philosophy are far more immediate. The owner may be a POS, but if that environment is the best place for you to maximize your potential, that baggage unfortunately comes with the territory.

In saying that, though, it does not mean that since that place is the best place for one's career gives the owner free reign to spew bigotry without repercussions. That's akin to the old "massa clothes us, he feeds us..." line of thought from more oppressive times. They absolutely have a right to be mad--even moreso because of the distraction DS' antics have caused, turning their quest for a title into a sideshow.

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If this outrages them, why wouldn't all the other stuff have outraged them enough to not go there?


See above.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97761 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:28 am to


Is that Chris Brousard Type Sources?
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:28 am to
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like i've said a bunch, the LEAST interesting part about all of this is the words that came out of his mouth


Yep. The comments are awful, horrible, and inexcusable. He deserves the shite he is catching. Yet, they probably aren't too high on his own personal list of terrible things and they aren't shocking coming from him.

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the whole "racist with a minority gf" angle,


This is nonsense. He sees African Americans as things to have for his entertainment. He can treat a much younger, attractive, minority female as his plaything. You can be racist and do that. In fact, it is quite racist to act this way.

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the hypocrisy of the NBA circle


This is the big issue.

The NBA fines players for offensive comments all the time. The league instituted a dress code to "deurbanize" the league. Baron Davis claims Sterling was not shy with his beliefs, yet players, coaches, and execs are now shocked? Come on.

The league has been aware of Sterling's retrograde opinions and allegedly criminal conduct for decades and has done nothing. The hypocrisy apparent in the treatment of ownership and players is troubling to say the least.
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:30 am to
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Is that Chris Brousard Type Sources?

Nope, Wojnarowski so slightly more legit
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17360 posts
Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:30 am to
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When Sterling became reluctant to honor Rivers' sign-and-trade agreement for J.J. Redick, there was a belief race played a factor. As one league source said, "He thought it was too much to pay for a white player.


I want to express my faux outrage over this.
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