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re: Woj: Silver Exploring "Nuclear" Option on Sterling
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:10 am to teke184
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:10 am to teke184
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There was a bunch of stuff in the Elgin Baylor discrimination lawsuit which would qualify for a hostile work environment.
My personal favorites would be parading his girlfriends through the Clippers' locker room to "look at the beautiful black bodies" and lowballing Danny Manning on a contract because "that's a lot of money for a poor black kid."
somehow he won that suit. i'm guessing it was b/c of how fricking terrible elgin baylor was as a GM
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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@ESPNSteinLine: It's only one team, but expectation from that one is Silver will go as far as lifetime suspension for Sterling wth fine well over $1 mil AND
@ESPNSteinLine: And a pledge from league to help Sterling sell the Clippers ... but also the vow to pursue voting him out if Sterling doesn't co-operate
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@BillSimmons: 1. Hearing Adam Silver is dropping the nukes on Donald Sterling today. Everything short of a big mushroom cloud shaped like the NBA logo.
@BillSimmons: 2. Only problem - Sterling loves courtrooms, he has no shame, he's not self-aware, he's comically stubborn + he might just decide to fight.
@BillSimmons: 3. Stealth asset NBA has going for it: Sponsors dropping out + local TV deal going away + players/coaches/fans vowing to leave or stay away.
#3 is the biggest ace in the hole. Silver can just sit back and watch the franchise implode. This is my personal preference
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:29 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:27 am to undecided
Bill Simmons has shown his fricking arse the past few days. long-time Clipper season ticket holder who knew of Sterling's racism, who is now building a fort constructed with hypocrisy
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:29 am to undecided
Bill Simmons
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:30 am to undecided
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#3 is the biggest ace in the hole. Silver can just sit back and watch the franchise implode. This is my personal preference
Talk is cheap, especially from the players and Doc.
Will Blake Griffin, CP3, etc., take less money to go somewhere else where they may have less chance to win a title if they were suddenly granted free agency?
I can see the sponsors and TV deals going away from the Clippers, but Sterling's got enough money and is a stubborn enough bastard that he could stick around even if it isn't nearly as profitable as it used to be.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Didn't know that, I thought Simmons only worshipped at the alter of Boston franchises
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:31 am to undecided
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This post was edited on 12/26/21 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:32 am to teke184
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Will Blake Griffin, CP3, etc., take less money to go somewhere else where they may have less chance to win a title if they were suddenly granted free agency?
But Lebron and Melo will be free agents. There's been talk of blowing the Lakers, Knicks, and Heat up. This could be the best Free Agency in sports history. We should all be rooting for this to happen
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:33 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:32 am to teke184
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Talk is cheap, especially from the players and Doc.
Will Blake Griffin, CP3, etc., take less money to go somewhere else where they may have less chance to win a title if they were suddenly granted free agency?
No they will not. They will march there happy asses out on that court and play ball. That is the only thing that will happen and anyone that thinks otherwise is a fool.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:33 am to graychef
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What about the players under contract? What would be their futures? Would the league allow them to breach their contracts?
One option mentioned would be giving all Clippers players free agency if they wanted it, though I think that has only been floated by the Rockets' owners.
I don't see that happening because it would set a bad precedent and, besides that, inordinately benefit teams like Dallas and Houston which happen to have a ton of open cap room right now to bid on CP3, Griffin, etc.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:33 am to undecided
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, I thought Simmons only worshipped at the alter of Boston franchises
he does, but when he moves to L.A. to do the Kimmel show, he adopted the Clippers as his west coast team
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:34 am to undecided
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But Lebron and Melo will be free agents. There's been talk of blowing the Lakers, Knicks, and Heat up. This could be the best Free Agency in sports history. We should all be rooting for this to happen
What teams will have the money to go after free agents this offseason?
Houston, Dallas, Miami, and who else?
No matter how much money is on the table, places like Philly, Detroit, and Utah will NOT be FA destinations for high-end players like LeBron, CP3, or Melo.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like he is going to try to get 29 owners to vote to change the constitution to add this in
They don't need to change the Constitution. They just need Sterling to make a statement detrimental to basketball. Seeing as sponsors are bolting left and right, they can easily clear that bar. He can then be suspended indefinitely.
Then, using a separate part of the league constitution, a three-fourths vote can force him to sell if he has a violation of league rules, which he would have. If you're not afraid of going to court, you can beat Sterling. He's violated the constitution and you can force him out. He can fight it, but he'd likely lose.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:38 am to teke184
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What teams will have the money to go after free agents this offseason?
Houston, Dallas, Miami, and who else?
I'm speaking more from a media speculation and drama standpoint. You'd have Cuban with an open check book, the Decision Part Deaux. The Lakers have to make some kinda move this offseason. Just think it would be amazing to watch
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:39 am to Baloo
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Then, using a separate part of the league constitution, a three-fourths vote can force him to sell if he has a violation of league rules, which he would have. If you're not afraid of going to court, you can beat Sterling. He's violated the constitution and you can force him out. He can fight it, but he'd likely lose.
Cuban's already against this because he sees it as a bad precedent.
What's to say that a bunch of guys like Dan Gilbert of the Cavs don't see it the same way, considering you only need about 10 guys to block action?
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:43 am to teke184
Well, you only need a block of six to stop it. It would be tough to get the support, but it's still doable. And I think you can get Cuban onboard if its costing the NBA sponsorship. At that point, it's having a real negative effect. Cuban's point was we can't sanction a guy for words not deeds. But these words now have become a deed in the sense that they are costing the NBA advertising. He's having that negative effect. Though I do think Cuban would vote to keep him in the league. He doesn't want a precedent that could kick "trouble-makers" like him out.
But if Silver can rally the support, I don't see the legal problem with it.
But if Silver can rally the support, I don't see the legal problem with it.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:43 am to Baloo
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They just need Sterling to make a statement detrimental to basketball.
i'd imagine the argument would be about the nature of the statement. a private statement falling under this rule would be absurd
and a terrible precedent
has anybody actually posted that alleged bylaw, though? 13 was posted, referencing the "constitution and bylaws" violation, but we can't judge the remainder without seeing the bylaw or article violated.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:44 am to Baloo
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But these words now have become a deed in the sense that they are costing the NBA advertising.
in the very short term. smart businessmen know that this will pass and sponsors will come back
which national sponsors have pulled out? i know local ones have
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'd imagine the argument would be about the nature of the statement. a private statement falling under this rule would be absurd
No, it wouldn't. There's no private/public distinction in the contract. You can't just invent that clause. It just needs to be detrimental, which it has been. I think that point is near inarguable.
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and a terrible precedent
Maybe. I can see why Cuban would hate it. Or any iconoclast. But the precedent of saying racist things that offends our fans and costs us millions of dollars leads to sanction isn't a terrible precedent. It's the sponsors that are the trigger here.
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has anybody actually posted that alleged bylaw, though?
I can see if I can find it.
ETA: Nope. Not publicly available.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:49 am
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:48 am to Baloo
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There's no private/public distinction in the contract.
there is no way that was the intent, though. it would be absolutely absurd to have a rule that any comment that could theoretically be interpreted by another private party to be offensive (and therefore, could affect the NBA), could force you to lose your team. think about it
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It just needs to be detrimental
any comment interpreted by another person could be deemed "detrimental"
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But the precedent of saying racist things that offends our fans and costs us millions of dollars leads to sanction isn't a terrible precedent.
that isn't the precedent, though. that's a very narrowly written subset of the precedent
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I can see if I can find it.
ETA: Nope. Not publicly available.
yeah there is one allegation by one man (munson) that this supposedly exists, and he's using his own interpretation
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:50 am
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