re: Will the Astros become the new Royals, Pirates, etc?

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No, how about go and sign younger free agent talent like Bourn, Melky, Stephen Drew, etc? Not all free agents are over the hill you know

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We could sign all those guys for a lot of money and still not be worth a shite. Then what?

That's enough to vault them 20 spots?

Keith Law had them 26 last year at this time. Look it up. With the same players minus Correa

The Astros have a lot of prospects in the pipeline. Will they ever amount to anything? Who knows.

$25 million payroll doesn't give any Astro fan any warm and fuzzies. This could very well be another 100-loss team.

Am I excited about next Sunday night? Hells yeah! I'll be in Section 127, Row 15, Seat 9 rocking out with my cock out, screaming until I get a headache and then screaming some more. This is why you're a sports fan. Sometimes you're the pre-season favorite, sometimes you're riding on nothing but blind faith.

I never thought I'd see the Saints win a Super Bowl, but it happened. I just hope I can see the 'Stros win a World Series before I die. Maybe there was a reason I paid $1,082.50 for a Game 4 Nosebleed to see the W-Sox dogpile. Maybe I'll get to take my son to the 2019 World Series where the 'Stros will be victorious!

Also, I'm happy the Astros are out of the boring NL Central! Out of a division with the armpit cities of the US like Milwaukee, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and St Louis.

I'm excited to start a 19-game a year rivalry with the Texas Rangers. I'm excited about the late night West Coast games. I'm excited to be an Astros fan.

Geaux 'Stros!!!

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Am I excited about next Sunday night? Hells yeah!

I'm excited to start a 19-game a year rivalry with the Texas Rangers. I'm excited about the late night West Coast games. I'm excited to be an Astros fan

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I think it's sad that as of a few days ago, tickets could be bought through the Astros for the opening game - opening game for all of baseball and against your new rival. That's pathetic.

With that being said, I'll be there. Rangers are my favorite team with Houston being second. I hate they're in the same division, let alone same league. frick Selig and his throwing away of 50 years of history. Make his piss ant Brewers switch to the AL Central and send Kansas City to the west if evening out the leagues 'had' to happen - which it didn't. I love baseball but Selig sucks arse. Only good thing he's done is the drug testing. Fire Selig and hire Bob Costas!

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bottom 5-7 on just about every list i can find

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And which lists were those exactly? BA had them at 18.

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#5 SS prospect( whos being compared to a Tulo or young A-rod and is only 18)

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Carlos is not that good.

Clearly, you already know all as well. He is not as a young A-rod. Hell, he was considered the third best talent in the draft. I don't even think he was the top talent on the Astros' board this past year. They just decided that McCullers, Ruiz, and Correa were better than Appel or Buxton.

And I hate comparing amateur players to well established big leaguers, let alone future hall of famers.

It's baseball, the top 3-5 players are all similar in value its just the one you fancy better. Personally I wanted Buxton but I thought they were both fairly equal. Plus the Astros had/have much more outfield prospects than middle infield, I mean we hae Villar but he just doesn't seem to have it, solid player but average big leaguer at best. Carlos had the POTENTIAL to be top 5 and you can't deny that.

ETA: Top 5 at his position not in the whole league

Yeah, their farm system really rebounded the last couple of years.

But this is an interesting debate. Peter Gammons had some tweets about that fine line you walk doing what they do and that they can pass it off as "smart rebuilding" but it's basically losing on purpose and whether or not that compromises the integrity of the game.