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re: Will Nabers be picked before Harrison Jr?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:02 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:02 am to RLDSC FAN
It's kinda weird how so many people are treating this as some mutually exclusive scouting report. They're both elite prospects and talents. I like Odunze's profile too.
Kinda reminds me of Keenan Allen a bit. Not that Odunze is a slot guy, but in the sense that they're both crafty and have a little OG in 'em.
Kinda reminds me of Keenan Allen a bit. Not that Odunze is a slot guy, but in the sense that they're both crafty and have a little OG in 'em.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 9:03 am
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:09 am to BenDover
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It's kinda weird how so many people are treating this as some mutually exclusive scouting report.
Exactly. It’s a loaded WR class, a chance all 3, MHJ, Nabers and Rome could be top 10 picks
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:12 am to H-Town Tiger
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MHJ is not just a “name” he’s an elite talent and news flash, multiple players at the same position from the same draft can be good.
Well it was justbecause of his NAME that he was invited to the Heisman Ceremony because if you go by stats, Nabers beat him in just about every category.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 9:14 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:14 am to BenDover
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Kinda reminds me of Keenan Allen a bit. Not that Odunze is a slot guy, but in the sense that they're both crafty and have a little OG in 'em.
Keenan was more of a deep ball guy in college IIRC.
Odunze has all the of the tools. VERY high on him.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:21 am to VADawg
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I get really wary of guys who have "contested catch ability" at the top of their scouting report. That's usually code for "too slow to get open in the NFL".
Matt Harmon isn't concerned about Odunze's ability to get open at all, hes a phenomenal route runner. Hes a fantasy guy but really good about WR film breakdowns and is right far more often than he is wrong about guys. Says you really gotta watch film because some guys have a lot of contested catches but its because of the offense moreso than the player sometimes, and thats the case with Odunze.
Through 3 games scouting MHJ, Nabers, and Odunze, he said he had the same grade on Odunze as he did MHJ and Daniel Jeremiah does as well.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:24 am to RLDSC FAN
No, because Malik Nabers Sr didn't play in the NFL.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:26 am to VolSquatch
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Matt Harmon isn't concerned about Odunze's ability to get open at all, hes a phenomenal route runner. Hes a fantasy guy but really good about WR film breakdowns and is right far more often than he is wrong about guys. Says you really gotta watch film because some guys have a lot of contested catches but its because of the offense moreso than the player sometimes, and thats the case with Odunze.
I admittedly have not seen him play much, but his scouting report sounds awfully similar to Drake London's, and London struggles to separate from NFL DBs to the point where he isn't really a big play threat.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:27 am to RLDSC FAN
Nabers could have a Tyreek Hill-lite type impact on an offense. Dude is so explosive.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:30 am to VADawg
I still think London will be a good player in a more modern offense with a better QB, but Odunze is a lot faster and seems to move better IMO. London ran a 4.58 and Odunze supposedly ran a 4.34 this offseason, but until he does it officially I'll guess he ends up in the 4.4's
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:32 am to TeamLSU
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Well it was justbecause of his NAME that he was invited to the Heisman Ceremony because if you go by stats, Nabers beat him in just about every category.
If it was his NAME why wasn’t Jerry Rice’s son invited? He was Heisman finalist because he was the top offensive player on a top 5 team and voters are lazy and don’t pay attention. they changed the standard a few years ago to have 4 finalists every year. In the past it would have been just the 3 QBs.
Odunze’s stats are basically the same as Nabers and he didn’t get invited either. Daniels and Penix got all those votes
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:34 am to RileyTime
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No, because Malik Nabers Sr didn't play in the NFL.
And why isn’t Brenden Rice going top 5?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:37 am to RLDSC FAN
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Multiple #NFL scouts have LSU WR Malik Nabers ranked higher on their draft boards than Marvin Harrison Jr,
Until Marvin Harrison Sr. takes the scouts out to "wash their car".
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:22 am to H-Town Tiger
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they changed the standard a few years ago to have 4 finalists every year
While this is true, I think it's important to point out that the 4 finalists are also the top 4 vote getters. I know you know this, but the whiners seem to think the invitations are arbitrary somehow. Harrison got the 4th highest amount of votes and was, therefore, automatically "invited."
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Odunze’s stats are basically the same as Nabers and he didn’t get invited either. Daniels and Penix got all those votes
Good point. And not only did their Heisman Finalists QBs take votes from them, but they were also--somewhat paradoxically--"dinged" for having Heisman Finalists throwing them the ball while Harrison was propped up a bit for having to catch balls from McCord. And they played in a better WR corps with the perception being that they weren't able to be double teamed as much.
All that lead to Harrison getting more votes than them. Whether all of that was fair or not can certainly be debated, who the best prospect is can certainly be debated (I think it's Malik, but I'm biased), but what can't be debated is the fact that Harrison was invited because he got the 4th highest amount of votes and the top 4 get auto invites no matter their parents.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:26 am to tigerbait2010
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Honest question: has there ever been a bigger joke of a heisman finalist than Harrison Jr?
Troy Smith was the biggest joke of a winner ever. Another Ohio State guy… imagine that.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:35 am to Hot Carl
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Harrison was invited because he got the 4th highest amount of votes and the top 4 get auto invites no matter their parents.
More media and fans know who MHJ was before the season than Nabers. Getting Heisman votes is a product of popularity as much as stats. I think MHJ is great but his numbers weren't Heisman or Biletnikof worthy.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:42 am to H-Town Tiger
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If it was his NAME why wasn’t Jerry Rice’s son invited?
Because his NUMBERS didn't add up.
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He was Heisman finalist because he was the top offensive player on a top 5 team
Well if that's the case, why wasn't Brock Bowers invited?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:45 am to Hot Carl
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Harrison was invited because he got the 4th highest amount of votes and the top 4 get auto invites
Yes that is correct good clarification.
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no matter their parents.
Ultimately who gives a frick who the finalist were, all that matters is who won. Harrison got votes more because of the team he was on and many voters a lazy.
Awards are a separate issue from who is or is not an elite prospect. Who’s the “better” prospect is subjective. He is rated based on his own talent and skill not because of who his dad was. People saying that and or quoting stats expose themselves as morons. Both Nabers and MHJ will be top 10 picks it appears and both could be stars
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:54 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:45 am to Powerman
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Harrison might go before him but I'm really scratching my head on the best WR prospect since the turn of the century comments I'm seeing about him.
Why? I would like someone to give me some sort of reason as to why they don't think MHJ is a great WR prospect.
Speed - Check. He had the fastest time in the first 2 weeks of the NFL season this year
Size - Check. 6'3'' 215
Production - Check. 2 1000 yard season
Route Running - Check
Will he be the best WR in this class? who the hell knows and we can't see into the future.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:49 am to lsu xman
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If Nabers goes 4.35 vs 4.45 for MH, Nabers will go first.
MHjr is faster than Nabers. He had a TD this season what was faster than any player in the NFL....all of the 2022 season
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According to NFL Rookie Watch, Harrison's 22.2 mph max speed was faster than Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill's max speed of 21.66 mph in Week 1, and faster than any NFL player's max speed last season.
I guess he could beat him in a 40 straight line, but no one should question the speed of MHjr
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