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re: Will Lamar Jackson be a 1st round pick in the NFL draft?

Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:59 pm to
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:59 pm to
I don't know if I'd call them completely different. I'd be curious to see how Jackson performs with an average offensive line.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:03 pm to
lsu fans think that because for some reason they shut him down, he's not a first round draft pick

dude is an auto lock for a top 15 pick if not top 10. show me one frickin mock draft that doesn't have him top 10.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:03 pm to
just think

opposing defenses essentially only have to stop him. the gameplan revolves around shutting him down

and he still putting up video game numbers

his completion % continues to improve too
Posted by papz
Austin, TX
Member since Jul 2008
9375 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:04 pm to
Dude, wow.

Wow.

I'd break it down for you further of what I said, it's a very basic statement I made. I said they were both successful dual threat college quarterbacks. Then you make up a phantom question to answer and want to debate about it.

Not that it matters but does Jackson having a lower completion percentage than Watson change the fact he's been a successful dual threat college quarterback? The answer to that question is no. So what the hell are you trying to argue?
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
19789 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:04 pm to
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no next question
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115592 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:05 pm to
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I'd like for you to name 10 of these billions that have put up numbers like Lamar Jackson and had the personal accomplishments he has.


Dak
Case Keemun
Ty detmer
Dany weurful
Colt Brennan
Graham Harrell
Kellen Moore
Jason White
Chris Weinke
Landry Jones

There's 10 guys who blew it up in college, racked up personal accolades and put up points throughout there careers, broke records etc etc, and didn't sniff the first round.

I'm sure you will go HAHA YOU CANT COMPARE THOSE GUYS! And pick a certain stat that bodes well for Lamar over them, but I never said that there are billions of QBs who have put up his stats in their careers, I said there have been that many duel threat dudes that couldn't crack the first round despite those stats and the dual threat ability/explosive play in college.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115592 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:06 pm to
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This is bullshite. They weren't outliers, they were Heisman trophy winners.


Well by the very definition, heisman trophy winners are outliers and plenty of them have gone out of the first round and a few went undrafted.

Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:07 pm to
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Dak
Case Keemun
Ty detmer
Dany weurful
Colt Brennan
Graham Harrell
Kellen Moore
Jason White
Chris Weinke
Landry Jones


So we're just ignoring the running aspect to Jackson's game? And for the most part ignoring the Heisman?

Dak is pretty much the only one athletically close to Jackson, and he seems to be OK in the league.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
32532 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:07 pm to
He will go no later than 3rd round. This year is weak for QBs, there aren't many I'd take over him
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115592 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:10 pm to
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o we're just ignoring the running aspect to Jackson's game?


You set the parameters bro

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Dak is pretty much the only one athletically close to Jackson, and he seems to be OK in the league.


But still didn't make it in the first round. Which is the crux of the argument. If you want to argue NFL success I can throw out guys like RGIII and kap. Just let me know what side of the argument you actually wanna argue
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:10 pm to
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This year is weak for QBs, there aren't many I'd take over him

Strongly disagree with this being a weak QB class.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115592 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:12 pm to
I don't think it's particularly strong. Might not even have Darnold, which I'm not really of fan of his game either.

Rosens probably the top guy, with a lot of meh behind him
Posted by NoCarsGo
Baton Rouge and I-10
Member since Nov 2015
115 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:12 pm to
Can't see it. He is not built like D. Watson. But then again who is?
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
88715 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:13 pm to
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You set the parameters bro


The ones you clearly ignored? You're right, I did.

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But still didn't make it in the first round.


he also didn't do what Lamar Jackson is doing in college. Thanks for making my point, dumbass.

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If you want to argue NFL success I can throw out guys like RGIII and kap.


Kap won a Heisman?
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Just let me know what side of the argument you actually wanna argue



It's funny that you're this cocky when you're looking like a fool in this thread.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288469 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:14 pm to
He's pretty much a lock for the 1st RD
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
11217 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:14 pm to
Growing up my favorite QB was Randall Cunningham. He was the greatest running QB of all time (until Vick and Newton). Everybody thought that was all he could do and injuries made him retire early. Then a couple of years later he got talked into making a comeback with the Vikings. He ended up having one of the greatest passing seasons of all time on a super loaded team. After that season, I give all QBs the benefit of the doubt..
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288469 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:15 pm to
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This year is weak for QBs


I think you're looking at 4 minimum in the 1st Rd alone
Posted by Packer
IE, California
Member since May 2017
8686 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:17 pm to
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I said they were both successful dual threat college quarterbacks.


You made the generalization that Jackson would be a high first rounder based off of the fact that he is a dual threat QB like Watson was. That is over simplifying the comparison. Find me one dual threat QB with a lower completion % than Jackson that was drafted in the first round. I'll give you a hint: it isn't Watson, Newton, Tebow, or RG3.

And yes, the lower completion % does change the fact that he's been a successful dual threat QB. If you can't throw the football worth a damn, then you aren't a dual threat.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115592 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:17 pm to
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The ones you clearly ignored? You're right, I did.


The ones you kept vague enough so that you could argue them no matter what? Okay.


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he also didn't do what Lamar Jackson is doing in college. Thanks for making my point, dumbass.


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Kap won a Heisman?


I already beat you to your own argument

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I'm sure you will go HAHA YOU CANT COMPARE THOSE GUYS! And pick a certain stat that bodes well for Lamar over them, but I never said that there are billions of QBs who have put up his stats in their careers, I said there have been that many duel threat dudes that couldn't crack the first round despite those stats and the dual threat ability/explosive play in college.


Posted by Mr. Elvert
Dallas
Member since Oct 2012
15323 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:18 pm to
A lot of overrated trash though
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