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re: Why is Kiffin considered a bad hire as a CF coach?
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:03 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Again, there's no way for anyone to prove he's a bad coach. We can only say he's a bad hire, and we'd be right.
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Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:05 pm to LSUTANGERINE
It's one thing to say he is umproven, but another to say he is doomed as a CF head coach. until this thread, there has not been much talk about him being unproven here. Mostly talk about how he will fail.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:06 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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and didn't improve UT.
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he did by two games and stats improvements were een better.
I actually thought he was going to build Tennessee up to a strong football school(challenging/winning the SEC). Till he bolted anyway.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:06 pm to Jamohn
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We can only say he's a bad hire, and we'd be right.
no. And you'd think you'd be right. Jury has not even convened yet.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
quote:No, a hire is evaluated on how competently the decision is made based on the available information. Could USC get lucky and have this marriage turn out to be successful?--Yes. That doesn't erase the fact that a premier program has hired a man who has done NOTHING to prove he deserves the job. Bad hire doesn't eliminate the possibility of luck.
no. And you'd think you'd be right. Jury has not even convened yet
Again, USC could hire me or you and there would be no concrete way of knowing that we'd fail--but it would definitely be a bad hire.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:14 pm to LSUTANGERINE
he's a good coach as long as his dad comes along with him. His dad is the reason for success IMO, since he is a genius when it comes to defense
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:22 pm to TigerBait1127
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His dad is the reason for success IMO, since he is a genius when it comes to defense
Tell that to Dexter McCluster.
Anyway, Kiffin is a good coach, but he's a jackass so nobody likes him.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:24 pm to GoBigOrange86
Oh yeah, he's a great OC. Had nothing to do with Sarkisian being there at all. 
Posted on 7/5/10 at 1:29 pm to TigerBait1127
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Why is Kiffin considered a bad hire as a CF coach?
Inexperience IMHO. He has ONE year of head coaching experience on the college level and he's taking over the best program of the last decade. Yeah he coached there the majority of his career but he still has little experience leading a program. Your head coach is the face of your program its going to speak volumes about you, think about it, the head coach is so tightly associated with the image of the school it can make or break your national image. USC knew they were getting the hammer, the people on the inside knew this way in advance and if you don't think so you are ignorant. I'm honestly not sure what USC's motive is behind this hire, other than to try and get people familiar with the program in and minimize the damage of the next few years.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:08 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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LSUTANGERINE
You sound just like Tennessee fans over a year ago, and you'll end up butt-hurt hating little lane when it's all said and done. Book it, quote.
He may not be "doomed" as a cf head coach, but he is "doomed" as a likable/respectable guy. He screams: rat, weasel, snake, spoiled little prick. Defend him now cause he's your coach, I understand.....but you will curse his name when he's gone.
This post was edited on 7/5/10 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:25 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
He's not an Elite Coach IMO, but he's a solid to very good coach. His recruiting is elite, and they close like no one else not named Nick Saban. Monte's defense looked to be very good, but not revolutionary. Lane's play calling though was the worst part of the hire. He was very indecisive and was not good at in-game adjustments (VT, OM, UCLA). His clock management (UCLA, BAMA) was also somewhat suspect. I think he'll succeed if he can keep his nose clean recruiting wise, which was the biggest question mark from the get go here.. I think he'll be a poor man's Pete Carroll. He calls himself a player's coach, but treats all the non-stars much differently than he does his stars. It'll be interesting to see how he does, that's for sure.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:26 pm to LSUTANGERINE
What has Kiffin done, HC wise to impress anyone???
Nothing. Its all hype at this point.
Nothing. Its all hype at this point.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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What has Kiffin done, HC wise to impress anyone???
Nothing. Its all hype at this point.
He can recruit the lights out. Tennessee's class last year would have made Auburn's class look like a joke. Christian Jones, Demar Dorsey, Justin Hunter, Nickell Robey and Chaz Green were all making NSD announcements for Tennessee. Our VQ guy also says Damien Robinson and Shon Coleman were silents. Kyle Prater was scheduled to visit Tennessee the weekend after Kiffin left. Not to mention all the players who decommitted after Kiffin left (Ambles, Jones, Willis, etc.) It was likely Tennessee would have finished with the nation's number 2 class behind Florida, and set the Rivals record for most 4*s in a single class.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:33 pm to volfan30
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He can recruit the lights out. Tennessee's class last year would have made Auburn's class look like a joke. Christian Jones, Demar Dorsey, Justin Hunter, Nickell Robey and Chaz Green were all making NSD announcements for Tennessee. Our VQ guy also says Damien Robinson and Shon Coleman were silents. Kyle Prater was scheduled to visit Tennessee the weekend after Kiffin left. Not to mention all the players who decommitted after Kiffin left (Ambles, Jones, Willis, etc.) It was likely Tennessee would have finished with the nation's number 2 class behind Florida, and set the Rivals record for most 4*s in a single class
And THIS means what????????
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:35 pm to dukke v
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And THIS means what????????
That he's proven he can recruit.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:52 pm to volfan30
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He can recruit the lights out. Tennessee's class last year would have made Auburn's class look like a joke.
So can Les Miles, and a host of other coaches. Kiffin is closer to the age of the kids he is recruiting than most of his head coaching peers. His recruits at UT didn't exactly shine a positive light on your program.
Posted on 7/5/10 at 2:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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he's a possible stack of TNT in terms of NCAA oversight
This..his father is a great defensive mind but he's so darned arrogant without IMHO the resume to be as arrogant as he is, and the thought of he and O taking over a school already penalized and under the microscope is a powder keg.
One could even say he and O were complicit in the sanctions they are now suffering from which is a rare case of those who took part in the wrongdoing suffering the consequences.
Excellent!
Posted on 7/5/10 at 3:07 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I don't know if he's a good or bad HC, and neither do you ... he hasn't been anywhere long enough to prove anything either way.
Looking at it another way ... when the Raiders hired him, was that a good hire? If so, why? Besides, why do you care if a bunch of LSU fans "like" the choice USC made for HC? Personally, I think Kiffin is the perfect fit for USC (read what you like into that statement).
Looking at it another way ... when the Raiders hired him, was that a good hire? If so, why? Besides, why do you care if a bunch of LSU fans "like" the choice USC made for HC? Personally, I think Kiffin is the perfect fit for USC (read what you like into that statement).
Posted on 7/5/10 at 3:58 pm to Jamohn
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No, a hire is evaluated on how competently the decision is made based on the available information.
I see. So IF, he had a record similar to caroll's after six years, he'd have been a been hire when they hired him. I see.
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Bad hire doesn't eliminate the possibility of luck.
I see, if he keeps USC at its current pace, minus last year, it woudl have been luck, not coaching. What an air-tight argument to keep him as a poor hire.
This post was edited on 7/5/10 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 7/5/10 at 4:04 pm to 1984Tiger
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I don't know if he's a good or bad HC, and neither do you ... he hasn't been anywhere long enough to prove anything either way.
I never said I knew either
quote:I don't really care. I knew it woudl get lots of responses.
Besides, why do you care if a bunch of LSU fans "like" the choice USC made for HC?
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Looking at it another way ... when the Raiders hired him, was that a good hire? If so, why?
No way to know at the imt, other than him having zero NFL experience even as an assistant. In hindsight, not a good hire. But at the time, IDK.
This post was edited on 7/5/10 at 4:06 pm
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