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re: Why has boxing become so boring?
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:58 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:58 am to PortCityTiger24
Obviously I was being slightly facetious with the gsp/klit comment, but my point still remains. And it's not out of reasonable realm to think GSP would be incapable of taking klit down. Afterall, how good is his takedown defense? Would he be able to get up if he was on the ground? How's his guard?
Posted on 7/4/11 at 1:03 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Would he even be able to shoot in against some who is 6'6 250?
You can always say that there is a chance that he could win a fight, but the % would be really low.
You can always say that there is a chance that he could win a fight, but the % would be really low.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 1:14 am to PortCityTiger24
If he were to connect with a punch or a kick, it'd obviously be lights out for GSP. But for someone who has thrown strikes their entire life without fear of being taken down, it's going to be hard to simply change his style. Obviously GSP/klit is a bad example/match-up and highly unfair, but I don't think the percentages would be that low for GSP. All he needs is a small window, a slight opening, only a piece of one of klit's massive legs for the takedown. It's a long ways down when you're 6'6", and it would be really hard to get back up. Sucks we can only speculate....
Posted on 7/4/11 at 9:29 am to UFownstSECsince1950
MMA doesn't make boxing boring.
I don't even think the occasional dud title fight makes boxing boring.
I'll tell you what makes it boring.
Quick... name the WBA super middleweight champion.
How about the IBF welterweight champion?
WBO light heavyweight champion? Anyone?
See what I'm getting at? There's no drama in boxing because nobody knows who these people are. There's no storytelling in boxing anymore. Back in the day, you knew who Joe Frazier was and what country Roberto Duran came from. You knew Marvin Hagler hadn't lost a fight for 10 years and you knew Mitch "Blood" Green lost one of his gold teeth in a fight with Mike Tyson.
Boxing has become non-media friendly because of the exclusivity of its television strategy (pay per view). No one knows or cares about who the good fighters are, other than those few who can't be ignored. Two generations of potential boxing fans have already been left out of the fold because boxing didn't seek them out as viewers when they were young.
Boxing needs an organizational overhaul from top to bottom. There needs to be a huge constitutional convention for it. Perhaps the Vatican can host it?
I don't even think the occasional dud title fight makes boxing boring.
I'll tell you what makes it boring.
Quick... name the WBA super middleweight champion.
How about the IBF welterweight champion?
WBO light heavyweight champion? Anyone?
See what I'm getting at? There's no drama in boxing because nobody knows who these people are. There's no storytelling in boxing anymore. Back in the day, you knew who Joe Frazier was and what country Roberto Duran came from. You knew Marvin Hagler hadn't lost a fight for 10 years and you knew Mitch "Blood" Green lost one of his gold teeth in a fight with Mike Tyson.
Boxing has become non-media friendly because of the exclusivity of its television strategy (pay per view). No one knows or cares about who the good fighters are, other than those few who can't be ignored. Two generations of potential boxing fans have already been left out of the fold because boxing didn't seek them out as viewers when they were young.
Boxing needs an organizational overhaul from top to bottom. There needs to be a huge constitutional convention for it. Perhaps the Vatican can host it?
Posted on 7/4/11 at 11:51 am to SpqrTiger
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MMA doesn't make boxing boring.
I don't even think the occasional dud title fight makes boxing boring.
I'll tell you what makes it boring.
Quick... name the WBA super middleweight champion.
How about the IBF welterweight champion?
WBO light heavyweight champion? Anyone?
I wouldn't say this is what's making boxing boring, but this is what's killing boxing. Sanctioning bodies and promoters are destroying the sport. That is something the UFC has gotten right.
Styles make fights. It's the same in boxing and the UFC. So no matter what both sports are going to have there share of boring fights.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:06 pm to Mattdaddy311
Right, too many belts in too many weight classes.
IMO, I believe counter punchers are what killed the sport. They win fights, but they don't win the fans over. Guys like Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather get so much publicity, so when people buy their PPV's and see how boring their fights are, it drives them away from the sport.
IMO, I believe counter punchers are what killed the sport. They win fights, but they don't win the fans over. Guys like Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather get so much publicity, so when people buy their PPV's and see how boring their fights are, it drives them away from the sport.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:08 pm to colemans04
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Right, too many belts in too many weight classes.
i do think this has disenfranchised your "common fan" to a large extent, but exciting fights at the top weights would still bring them in to watch
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IMO, I believe counter punchers are what killed the sport. They win fights, but they don't win the fans over. Guys like Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweather get so much publicity, so when people buy their PPV's and see how boring their fights are, it drives them away from the sport
counter punchers and super jab HWs
it's just the natural progression of sport
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:15 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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If he were to connect with a punch or a kick, it'd obviously be lights out for GSP. But for someone who has thrown strikes their entire life without fear of being taken down, it's going to be hard to simply change his style. Obviously GSP/klit is a bad example/match-up and highly unfair, but I don't think the percentages would be that low for GSP. All he needs is a small window, a slight opening, only a piece of one of klit's massive legs for the takedown. It's a long ways down when you're 6'6", and it would be really hard to get back up. Sucks we can only speculate....
So you are going to put Klitschko in an MMA environment. I was under the impression that this was a fight. No gloves, no cage, no ref. Because in a fight Vitali could literally pick GSP off the ground and HURL him eight feet through the air if he tried to wrap his legs. That's how different they are in size. It would be Kimo and Royce all over again except Vitali is a much better and larger man than Kimo.
Wow this is a dumb argument.
I agree that boxing no longer being regularly broadcast on network TV has certainly led to it's decline. You get talent by kids growing up watching and wanting to participate in the sport. Boxing hasn't been on network tv in what? 30 years?
Is there any wonder that it's not as popular as it was? In Europe it is still a very popular sport and so most of the good fighters are coming from Europe or Mexico now. There are a few isolated areas of the US that are producing boxers (LA, Philly, and Boston) but as a whole the country does not encourage boxing.
Americans don't give a shite about a sport unless Americans are fighting. Just look at F1 racing. Tons of talent, beautiful women, fast cars, but no Americans and so Americans don't give a shite.
This post was edited on 7/4/11 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
And I'm afraid with the new concussion studies coming out, boxing will be talked about in the past tense in about 10 years.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:20 pm to colemans04
Well then they should just go ahead and ban football.
Professional athletes choose to endanger their body for the sport. That is why they are so well compensated. Amateurs still wear head gear, but when you decide to turn pro you take on a certain level of risk. You give up years of your life (you die quicker) in order to make a ton of money and live the good life. Some think that is a fair trade.
Professional athletes choose to endanger their body for the sport. That is why they are so well compensated. Amateurs still wear head gear, but when you decide to turn pro you take on a certain level of risk. You give up years of your life (you die quicker) in order to make a ton of money and live the good life. Some think that is a fair trade.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 2:16 pm to Mattdaddy311
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Why has boxing become so boring?
It seems most fighters are too afraid to go on the offensive these days. Many fighters would rather through a sissy jab that counts as a punch and move around the ring avoiding the other fighter until they accumulate enough points to win.
Actual punches are rarely thrown nowadays.
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