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re: Why has boxing become so boring?
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:12 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:12 am to Lester Earl
If GSP and Vitali got in a fight I would pick Vitali.
Only man to hold both the K1 Heavyweight title and the Heavyweight boxing title. The man knows how to "fight" and outweighs GSP by what? A hundred pounds?
Only man to hold both the K1 Heavyweight title and the Heavyweight boxing title. The man knows how to "fight" and outweighs GSP by what? A hundred pounds?
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:13 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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If GSP and Vitali got in a fight I would pick Vitali.
really??
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:15 am to UFownstSECsince1950
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Mma is simply the more complete, more exciting, more useful sport.
fwiw
ufc-style mma is already facing similar problems to boxing, except instead of jabs, it's lay and pray
that's going to be the style that ends up takin back over and dominating. it's safe, it's defensive, and the UFC (Scoring and ring) are geared to give it the advantage
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:18 am to PortCityTiger24
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and in my opinion there's a much greater chance of miraculous comebacks in MMA than in boxing.
god i cannot think of the fight
it was like a year ago
the supposed next super heavyweight guy was fighting some total chump. the contender was fat and old
for 2.9 rounds the young guy beat the living shite out of the old guy, and the old guy basically got in 1 lucky punch to win
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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that's going to be the style that ends up takin back over and dominating. it's safe, it's defensive, and the UFC (Scoring and ring) are geared to give it the advantage
Only problem is that Dana and Joe Silva have already shown that they aren't going to reward guys for laying and praying (for the most part).
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:19 am to PortCityTiger24
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really??
i don't know what was going on there
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:21 am to PortCityTiger24
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Only problem is that Dana and Joe Silva have already shown that they aren't going to reward guys for laying and praying (for the most part).
over the past 18 months or so it has returned in a big way. hell, look at gsp's evolution
i give him all the credit in the world for learning how to be an amazing wrestler, but it's almost all that he uses now (and he is one of the top strikers at 170, and that's where he made his name)
the small cage and scoring for takedowns, plus the long time eaten up by taking an opponent down, makes it the smart play
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:25 am to PortCityTiger24
A 6'7.5 260 lb 6 time world kickboxing champion, 3 time heavyweight champion vs a 170 lb 5'10 great fighter. Yeah I'd take Vitali.
This isn't Royce beating up on some bouncers. This is a trained superior fighter (who dominated in two different disciplines) who physically towers over GSP.
So yeah I'd put money on Vitali.
Do you honestly think GSP could shoot on Vitali? Or get anywhere near him?
Or maybe the initial comment was made with a tongue planted firmly in cheek.
This isn't Royce beating up on some bouncers. This is a trained superior fighter (who dominated in two different disciplines) who physically towers over GSP.
So yeah I'd put money on Vitali.
Do you honestly think GSP could shoot on Vitali? Or get anywhere near him?
Or maybe the initial comment was made with a tongue planted firmly in cheek.
This post was edited on 7/4/11 at 12:29 am
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:28 am to PurpleandGold Motown
the question is why you're picking vitali and gsp
dos santos, overeem, fedor, mir, carawin, or lesnar are the comparisons
dos santos, overeem, fedor, mir, carawin, or lesnar are the comparisons
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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the question is why you're picking vitali and gsp
dos santos, overeem, fedor, mir, carawin, or lesnar are the comparisons
I didn't make the initial pick. That was Florida. I just commented on it.
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and you can attempt to make fun of wrestling/bjj, but these guys would destroy any top level boxer in a fight any day of the week. A 5'9" 170lbs GSP would put either of the Klit brothers on their back and elbow their brains in within 2 minutes in a real fight. But I guess real fighting is pointless/useless to you, you're only interested in one dimension. You must be Peja's biggest fan
This post was edited on 7/4/11 at 12:30 am
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:30 am to SlowFlowPro
GSP is an exception. He's had the title for awhile. He's quickly become the best wrestler in the UFC, which is crazy considering it's not even in his backround. He didn't get the title doing that.
Last night's card is a better example of where the UFC is headed IMO. I thought that we would begin to see more lay and pray too, but these guys are being preassured to fight entertaining fights. The guys that they are putting on these cards know that they have to fight. You're seeing refs stand up guys a lot quicker than they used to (sometimes way too soon).
FWIW I enjoy good wresteling and watching guys make moves to get into position as long as the goal is to ultimately attack.
Last night's card is a better example of where the UFC is headed IMO. I thought that we would begin to see more lay and pray too, but these guys are being preassured to fight entertaining fights. The guys that they are putting on these cards know that they have to fight. You're seeing refs stand up guys a lot quicker than they used to (sometimes way too soon).
FWIW I enjoy good wresteling and watching guys make moves to get into position as long as the goal is to ultimately attack.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:30 am to PurpleandGold Motown
oh wow
i missed that
wow
i missed that
wow
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:32 am to PortCityTiger24
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You're seeing refs stand up guys a lot quicker than they used to
this is the key (b/c the judges won't change)
2 years ago or so, they started standing them up more quickly, then they started slacking
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:32 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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A 6'7.5 260 lb 6 time world kickboxing champion, 3 time heavyweight champion vs a 170 lb 5'10 great fighter. Yeah I'd take Vitali.
Well who wouldn't? I'd also take Shane Carwin over Floyd Mayweather.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:32 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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and you can attempt to make fun of wrestling/bjj, but these guys would destroy any top level boxer in a fight any day of the week. A 5'9" 170lbs GSP would put either of the Klit brothers on their back and elbow their brains in within 2 minutes in a real fight.
this gem was from UFownstSECsince1950
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:34 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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A 5'9" 170lbs GSP would put either of the Klit brothers on their back and elbow their brains in within 2 minutes in a real fight.

Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:35 am to PortCityTiger24
i mean THEORETICALLY it could happen, but 
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:36 am to SlowFlowPro
I would love for boxing to go to a 50/50 split for fights that go to the judges, and an 80/20 split if they knock the other motherfricker out.
That might jump things off a little bit, but unfortunately (or fortunately) boxing is a fighter driven sport where MMA is a company driven sport.
That might jump things off a little bit, but unfortunately (or fortunately) boxing is a fighter driven sport where MMA is a company driven sport.
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:37 am to PortCityTiger24
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I'm a fan of both, and in my opinion there's a much greater chance of miraculous comebacks in MMA than in boxing.
I meant it in terms of "great fights", most in boxing its either amazing the guy never went down or how he got up from that ______.
I'd think a a lot of the best MMA fights (for the average fan) would be a brutal 2nd or 3rd round KO, again I only watch here and there though.
Either way, the length of the fights ties in there too and could be argued by either side.
12 or 15 round fights where guys traded shots for most of the fight and have just nothing left, thats what I love about watching classic fights.
Not saying MMA fighters are not exhausted after some of their fights fwiw.
To me the biggest thing is how much someone knows about what the hell is going on during grappling, submissions, wrestling etc.
Really this is where the big MMA fan appreciate, kind of like boxing and the fight where a guy "just ran away and danced most of the time".
This post was edited on 7/4/11 at 12:38 am
Posted on 7/4/11 at 12:45 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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To me the biggest thing is how much someone knows about what the hell is going on during grappling, submissions, wrestling etc.
Really this is where the big MMA fan appreciate, kind of like boxing and the fight where a guy "just ran away and danced most of the time".
Yeah this is a reason that I will only watch MMA with a select small group of friends, like 4-5 tops but usually 2-3. We watched a card at a movie theater one time, and although the idea behind it was cool I probably wouldn't do it again. It was the Cain - Lesnar fight. Cain was literally beating the shite out of Brock and you had guys in there screaming to stand them up
an that's not even grappling.
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