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re: Why has boxing become so boring?
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:37 pm to smash williams
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:37 pm to smash williams
Heavyweight has always been a division of a two or three great fighters, 5 or 6 good fighters, and a bunch of bums who bounce on the weekends or work construction. It's never been a very deep division. Some advocate a Super Heavyweight weight class but that would water down what is already a weak division.
I don't think you can blame the Klitschko's as much as you can blame their opponents. Every one of them talks a great game, but when they get hit they decide they don't want to fight anymore. You have to be willing to die to beat a Klitschko. Brewster proved that. He won the fight, but was never the same afterwards. He got fricked up in that first fight. The ref was close to stopping it several times, but he just kept coming and eventually Wlad punched himself out.
Wlad does fight a cautious style but it's a style that maximizes his abilities while minimizing his weaknesses. He didn't jab and grab Saturday, but Haye punched and dove. He wanted to trade, but Haye dove to the canvas everytime he got close.
I don't know. I can appreciate the Klitschko's but I wish someone out there would push them. When Haye landed that right in round twelve Wlad woke up and went after him. Too bad Haye didn't do that in any of the previous eleven rounds. They haven't been challenged in 7 years, but they haven't ducked or avoided fighting anyone.
I'm holding out hope that Wilder will turn into a great Heavyweight, but he needs to get with another trainer like Roach, Steward or, McGirt.
I don't think you can blame the Klitschko's as much as you can blame their opponents. Every one of them talks a great game, but when they get hit they decide they don't want to fight anymore. You have to be willing to die to beat a Klitschko. Brewster proved that. He won the fight, but was never the same afterwards. He got fricked up in that first fight. The ref was close to stopping it several times, but he just kept coming and eventually Wlad punched himself out.
Wlad does fight a cautious style but it's a style that maximizes his abilities while minimizing his weaknesses. He didn't jab and grab Saturday, but Haye punched and dove. He wanted to trade, but Haye dove to the canvas everytime he got close.
I don't know. I can appreciate the Klitschko's but I wish someone out there would push them. When Haye landed that right in round twelve Wlad woke up and went after him. Too bad Haye didn't do that in any of the previous eleven rounds. They haven't been challenged in 7 years, but they haven't ducked or avoided fighting anyone.
I'm holding out hope that Wilder will turn into a great Heavyweight, but he needs to get with another trainer like Roach, Steward or, McGirt.
This post was edited on 7/3/11 at 2:40 pm
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Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:38 pm to L S Usetheforce
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I've followed it through and it has progressed to a chess match of points.......Nobody is going for it all anymore...
agreed completely
fighting smart, defensive/safe bouts = boring
if you play defensive/smart in most sports, most people think it's boring
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
why is it up to the "average joe" to determine the zeitgeist of today's sports culture? just because an attitude is held by a large number of people doesn't make it correct.
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:42 pm to Rohan2Reed
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why is it up to the "average joe" to determine the zeitgeist of today's sports culture?
all sports and political figures fight for the attention of the common joe
always have. always will
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just because an attitude is held by a large number of people doesn't make it correct.
well boxing at the top is boring, aesthetically
it's all defense/points. that is not pretty to watch
you see all the college baseball fans bitch about the bats this year?
or how the NBA almost died when everybody was playing super defense and iso offense to minimize mistakes?
or how the MLB revived itself when guys starting hitting copious amounts of HRs?
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:44 pm to Rohan2Reed
So only sidewalk fans want to see the best face each other?
Only the bandwagon fans cry about boxers hand-picking their tomato-can opponents for an entire career, never being forced to face the best? Boxing loses credibility when a 46 year old BHop is considered the best in the world in his "stacked" division. Look at how SSM fought manny....he wasn't fighting to win, he was fighting for a paycheck only. Sure the fans and their expectations have changed, but there's no doubt boxing as a whole has gone downhill over the years....anyone can see that.
Only the bandwagon fans cry about boxers hand-picking their tomato-can opponents for an entire career, never being forced to face the best? Boxing loses credibility when a 46 year old BHop is considered the best in the world in his "stacked" division. Look at how SSM fought manny....he wasn't fighting to win, he was fighting for a paycheck only. Sure the fans and their expectations have changed, but there's no doubt boxing as a whole has gone downhill over the years....anyone can see that.
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the HW division has become super boring post-lennox
FTR Lennox was hardly an exciting fighter. He just fought Americans and so the American public was more interested in his fights. Lennox was the prototype for the style that Wladimir has perfected.
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:46 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
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Lennox was the prototype for the style that Wladimir has perfected.
exactly
i don't know how you beat a 6-6+ guy who plays defense and jabs all night, other than to be a 6-6 guy who plays defense and jabs all night, too
back in lewis's heyday i'd always say i'd put my money against him on all former HW champs
not b/c he was a better fighter, but b/c he had a better style
This post was edited on 7/3/11 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 7/3/11 at 2:56 pm to SlowFlowPro
It works and it's not as if the fights routinely go to the score cards(something like a combined 89% KO percentage). The only time that happens is if the other guy decides to get on his bicycle like Ibragimov and Haye did.
The problem is no one can fight them effectively. Too strong, too big, and too skilled.
That's why Iw ant Wilder to pan out. Alabama born 6'6, fast, great right hand, olympic medalist, 17 fights with 17 KOs but raw as all hell. He's at least 3 years away from a title shot, and that's if he gets a better trainer. He could re ignite interest in the HW division in America.
I just don't see anyone out there who has a chance in hell of dethroning the brothers K. Maybe Povetkin, but even Atlas doesn't have faith in him.
The problem is no one can fight them effectively. Too strong, too big, and too skilled.
That's why Iw ant Wilder to pan out. Alabama born 6'6, fast, great right hand, olympic medalist, 17 fights with 17 KOs but raw as all hell. He's at least 3 years away from a title shot, and that's if he gets a better trainer. He could re ignite interest in the HW division in America.
I just don't see anyone out there who has a chance in hell of dethroning the brothers K. Maybe Povetkin, but even Atlas doesn't have faith in him.
This post was edited on 7/3/11 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 7/3/11 at 8:44 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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with all the knockouts in mma
whatever
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When's the last time a major title fight was exciting?
Did you happen to see Maidana vs. Khan.. Soto vs. Antillion.. and many more... Major fights but because people are so wrapped up in the heavyweight division you don't see them as major fights...
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Or ended in a knockout?
Hmmm... Williams Vs. Martinez
This post was edited on 7/3/11 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 7/3/11 at 8:51 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Boxing loses credibility when a 46 year old BHop is considered the best in the world in his "stacked" division. Look at how SSM fought manny....he wasn't fighting to win, he was fighting for a paycheck only.
Couture wasn't considered one of the best in the world in MMA at 47 or 48... So MMA also loses all credibility... The only difference is B-Hop is still winning
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:14 pm to Mattdaddy311
lol, so you come up with one example of a KO. I realize knocking somebody out doesn't mean everything, but it's definitely more exciting than a boring defensive 12 round jab fest where neither boxer is willing to even push the pace slightly.
and you can't really say mma lost its credibility with couture, bc the UFC is still in its infancy and constantly evolving. I've said this a bunch before, but none of the UFC champs would come close to sniffing a belt 20 years from now.
Fact is, boxing has fallen off severely. As little as the die-hards want to admit it, there will be no resurgence or huge revival. Mma has taken over the top spot and will never relinquish it back to boxing. Not only has boxing declined, but it will continue to fall even more over time. The top athletes who originally might've been boxers 20 years ago, will turn to mma instead. Why learn to simply punch and be one-dimensional when you can learn multiple techniques and apply them all at once. Boxing will never completely die, but it's outdated and has been far surpassed. (I know I know they're two different sports), but there's a lot of people who don't want to hear this and are unwilling to accept it. Sit back and enjoy the ride, cause we're all witnessing history.
and you can't really say mma lost its credibility with couture, bc the UFC is still in its infancy and constantly evolving. I've said this a bunch before, but none of the UFC champs would come close to sniffing a belt 20 years from now.
Fact is, boxing has fallen off severely. As little as the die-hards want to admit it, there will be no resurgence or huge revival. Mma has taken over the top spot and will never relinquish it back to boxing. Not only has boxing declined, but it will continue to fall even more over time. The top athletes who originally might've been boxers 20 years ago, will turn to mma instead. Why learn to simply punch and be one-dimensional when you can learn multiple techniques and apply them all at once. Boxing will never completely die, but it's outdated and has been far surpassed. (I know I know they're two different sports), but there's a lot of people who don't want to hear this and are unwilling to accept it. Sit back and enjoy the ride, cause we're all witnessing history.
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:16 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Mma has taken over the top spot and will never relinquish it back to boxing.
thats a bold statement
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:33 pm to Deactived
It's the truth though. Boxing can say they pay their fighters more, and point to one or two big ppv fights/numbers a year, but the UFC has their shite together. There aren't 7 different HWs running around claiming to be champ, the fighters fight who they are told to (not who their manager hand picks), mma is on tv all the time (spike and versus), boxing has Friday night fights still, UFC will have its own channel one day soon, espn is finally starting to cover mma now, etc etc.
Mma is simply the more complete, more exciting, more useful sport. Again, many won't like what I'm saying, but it's the truth and they'll just have to sit back and enjoy the ride......can't deny the inevitable.
Mma is simply the more complete, more exciting, more useful sport. Again, many won't like what I'm saying, but it's the truth and they'll just have to sit back and enjoy the ride......can't deny the inevitable.
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Boxing is not boring to me as for UFC, that shite is boring to me.
This post was edited on 7/3/11 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:42 pm to L S Usetheforce
All of boxings stars are in 135-147.
Pacquiao and Mayweather are the only guys getting casual fans to watch, for the most part.
That coupled with no iconic Heavyweight champion from the states since Tyson is pretty huge IMO.
Pacquiao and Mayweather are the only guys getting casual fans to watch, for the most part.
That coupled with no iconic Heavyweight champion from the states since Tyson is pretty huge IMO.
This post was edited on 7/3/11 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:42 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Mma has taken over the top spot and will never relinquish it back to boxing. Not only has boxing declined, but it will continue to fall even more over time
Do me a favor and look for the highest pay-per-view buys in a single event and I bet you won't find MMA at the top...
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:46 pm to Mattdaddy311
Right on cue
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:49 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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There aren't 7 different HWs running around claiming to be champ,
Because MMA doesn't have "interim" champs because of an injury, and then you have a champ and an "interim" champ...
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mma is on tv all the time (spike and versus),
90% of america doesn't even get Versus
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espn is finally starting to cover mma now, etc etc.
once a week for half an hour
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Mma is simply the more complete, more exciting, more useful sport
Yep... One guy on his back with his legs spread and the other guy on top between them is VERY useful and complete
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:51 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Right on cue
you said this... NOT ME
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Mma has taken over the top spot and will never relinquish it back to boxing.
Just showing that you are wrong
Posted on 7/3/11 at 9:55 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
UFownstSECsince1950
Listen this is a stupid agruement... I watch both and enjoy both.. We will agree to disagree
Listen this is a stupid agruement... I watch both and enjoy both.. We will agree to disagree
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