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re: Why don't the Nats shut down Strasburg NOW
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:25 pm to GhostBuster6
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:25 pm to GhostBuster6
Ok I've been waiting for another Strasburg thread to talk about this.
Here in Dallas they have a Saturday morning sports medicine/therapy radio show hosted where a very well known, accomplished Sports injury doctor (forgot his name but works with a lot of pros and teams). He was talking about the Nats shutting down Strasburg and he said medically there is no reason to limit a pitchers innings after he has fully recovered from Tommy John surgery, as far as protecting an arm for the future. He said pitching 160 innings instead of 210 this year isn't going to make any difference at all in Strasburgs arm health. According to him there are only three reasons the Nationals could be capping his innings
1. They don't know this, or their management doesn't believe this to be true (even though he said it's pretty much medically proven). He says this is unlikely because they have team doctors and trainers ect that surely know all the information he does.
2. They are worried about his mechanics and that he's going to hurt himself again because of poor mechanics or poor arm endurance. As far as the mechanics he and I both agree it's possible this could be true, I mean he got hurt once right? But he makes a good point saying that if they are worried about his mechanics and hurting himself because of that, they are taking a risk letting him pitch at all. He's just as likely to hurt himself in inning 100 than inning 200 if he has a mechanical hitch causing arm strain. And as far as poor arm endurance, He said and I agree that this is hard to believe since he is a professional, elite pitcher and should have his arm in the best shape possible
3. His surgery didn't take like it was supposed to and the more he throws the more risk there is that he is going to re injure that tendon and have to have a second Tommy John. This is possible but again if it were true it would be a huge risk pitching him at all. Also if true that's terrible news for Nats fans.
I know tl;dr but I think it's interesting
short version: there really isn't much for Strasburg to gain health wise by stopping after 160 innings unless his arm hasn't fully healed yet
Here in Dallas they have a Saturday morning sports medicine/therapy radio show hosted where a very well known, accomplished Sports injury doctor (forgot his name but works with a lot of pros and teams). He was talking about the Nats shutting down Strasburg and he said medically there is no reason to limit a pitchers innings after he has fully recovered from Tommy John surgery, as far as protecting an arm for the future. He said pitching 160 innings instead of 210 this year isn't going to make any difference at all in Strasburgs arm health. According to him there are only three reasons the Nationals could be capping his innings
1. They don't know this, or their management doesn't believe this to be true (even though he said it's pretty much medically proven). He says this is unlikely because they have team doctors and trainers ect that surely know all the information he does.
2. They are worried about his mechanics and that he's going to hurt himself again because of poor mechanics or poor arm endurance. As far as the mechanics he and I both agree it's possible this could be true, I mean he got hurt once right? But he makes a good point saying that if they are worried about his mechanics and hurting himself because of that, they are taking a risk letting him pitch at all. He's just as likely to hurt himself in inning 100 than inning 200 if he has a mechanical hitch causing arm strain. And as far as poor arm endurance, He said and I agree that this is hard to believe since he is a professional, elite pitcher and should have his arm in the best shape possible
3. His surgery didn't take like it was supposed to and the more he throws the more risk there is that he is going to re injure that tendon and have to have a second Tommy John. This is possible but again if it were true it would be a huge risk pitching him at all. Also if true that's terrible news for Nats fans.
I know tl;dr but I think it's interesting
short version: there really isn't much for Strasburg to gain health wise by stopping after 160 innings unless his arm hasn't fully healed yet
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Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:28 pm to Tiger1242
Rizzo did this with Zimmerman. Worked great. He is going to do it with Stras.
No win situation for the Nats unless they keep Stras in AND they win it all, which is unlikely. If you pull him and lose in the first round, you're an idiot. If you don't pull him and he pitches a bad game or two when it matters, you're an idiot.
They are going to shut him down, period.
No win situation for the Nats unless they keep Stras in AND they win it all, which is unlikely. If you pull him and lose in the first round, you're an idiot. If you don't pull him and he pitches a bad game or two when it matters, you're an idiot.
They are going to shut him down, period.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:33 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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If you don't pull him and he pitches a bad game or two when it matters
What? If they didn't pull him and he pitched bad nobody would be mad at the coach. If they didn't pull him and he got hurt is when people might be upset.
Still who's to say the Nats are going to be in this position again? I mean you're a legit contender and you're going to shut down one of you're best ayers for the home stretch and playoffs, makes no sense
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:33 pm to Broseph Barksdale
I think the Nats are going about this all the wrong ways for two varying opinions...
1. Don't ever pass up a shot at the championship, give it all you have and hold nothing back, you never know if you'll ever have another shot
2. They did horrible planning knowing he had a limit: start him in may/June....or go to a 6 man rotation....or make him skip a start here and there
1. Don't ever pass up a shot at the championship, give it all you have and hold nothing back, you never know if you'll ever have another shot
2. They did horrible planning knowing he had a limit: start him in may/June....or go to a 6 man rotation....or make him skip a start here and there
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:34 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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No win situation for the Nats unless they keep Stras in AND they win it all, which is unlikely
They have the best record in baseball. By default, they are the most likely team to win a world series. This drastically reduces their chances.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:43 pm to hiltacular
Rizzo don't give a shite what anyone thinks.
(and why should he?)
(and why should he?)
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:47 pm to Broseph Barksdale
Like i have been saying forever. If i am the GM, and i pay all this money for stras, he is going to pitch till his arm literally falls off.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:55 pm to Tiger1242
Didn't they up the innings limit to 180?
edit: Oh they are just throwing more rumors out there.
edit: Oh they are just throwing more rumors out there.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 7:57 pm
Posted on 8/14/12 at 7:57 pm to Rig
I've been so busy lately I haven't even seen what their lead over the Braves is currently.. Would you even call the division sown up?
Posted on 8/14/12 at 8:19 pm to GhostBuster6
They won't shut him down Strasburg until they absolutely lock down a playoff spot. I know the Nationals have the best record in baseball, but I'm pretty sure the Braves are behind them and they could make a run in September. But this is tricky because if Strasburg does get close to his limit, they are going to need him in the playoffs, badly.
Posted on 8/14/12 at 8:48 pm to Srbtiger06
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Shut him down for over a month then throw him into playoff games?
Brilliant.
It's infinitely more brilliant than what they say they are going to do.
This is easily the stupidest thing I've ever heard of in professional sports. Has Stras said anything about this? I would tell them if they don't let me finish the year I would never pitch for them again.
This post was edited on 8/14/12 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 8/15/12 at 12:56 am to GhostBuster6
this is a great question and one that I cannot possibly understand.
Simply put him on the DL for 2-3 weeks so he misses the 4 starts that you want him to miss (or more) and then have him back mid Sept thru the playoffs.
Seems really really simple to me.
Simply put him on the DL for 2-3 weeks so he misses the 4 starts that you want him to miss (or more) and then have him back mid Sept thru the playoffs.
Seems really really simple to me.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:02 am to Tiger1242
I think his previous season high IP was his sr yr in college of about 120 IP..
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:07 am to LfcSU3520
Well the guy who should know just spoke. I will disregard any opinion from a couch potato that isn't in line with his. I feel better about my opinion on this now. 
Posted on 8/15/12 at 1:14 am to Teddy Ruxpin
I just want to hear any semi-acceptable reason for this not being the case? If they were in a really close playoff race then I could see it, but with the rotation they have and a division lead, what's the harm?
Going on the DL happens all the time and you come back a month later and resume.
Going on the DL happens all the time and you come back a month later and resume.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 7:27 am to GhostBuster6
If he's not going to pitch, what's the point of playing?
Posted on 8/15/12 at 7:44 am to LSURoss
This is why fan's opinions aren't ever considered when making decisions on a multi- billion dollar franchise. Read up on the Verducci effect. Fan's are too emotional to be rational about things like this. The nats are a young team with potential to be a dynasty in the future with their young talent and Strasburg is the forefront of that.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 7:52 am to LfcSU3520
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If they were in a really close playoff race then I could see it, but with the rotation they have and a division lead, what's the harm?
They are only up 4.5 on the braves and play them next week. We should have a much clearer picture of where both teams stand after that series.
Posted on 8/15/12 at 7:53 am to OhFace55
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The nats are a young team with potential to be a dynasty in the future with their young talent and Strasburg is the forefront of that.
So they are just going to rinse and repeat this process of playing great during the regular season and shutting Strasburg down and getting kicked out of the playoffs?
Posted on 8/15/12 at 9:24 am to OhFace55
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The nats are a young team with potential to be a dynasty in the future with their young talent and Strasburg is the forefront of that
And they have the potential to start that dynasty right now . But they are going to seriously jeapordize that by gutting down one of their best players. My question is if he can't pitch more than 160 this year; what says he'll ever be able to do it?
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