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re: Why don't the Bengals cut ties with Shemir Stewart and just sign Hendrickson to a deal?
Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:21 pm to DByrd2
Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:21 pm to DByrd2
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why not work together and make a "No-No List"
Because the intent is to make the clause as ambiguous as possible to allow the organization as many ways to not pay as possible.
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Posted on 7/23/25 at 4:26 pm to The Pirate King
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it's supposedly already used by over half the teams in the league.
Like that gives the Bengals with their history the benefit of the doubt
Posted on 7/23/25 at 5:59 pm to TackySweater
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Except what I said is exactly correct lol
No, you are missing the concept of ambiguity. I litigate contracts all the time where I look at clauses, often buried in a hundred pages of boilerplate, and think to myself why would anyone sign a contract like this?
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:16 pm to Obtuse1
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No, you are missing the concept of ambiguity. I litigate contracts all the time where I look at clauses, often buried in a hundred pages of boilerplate, and think to myself why would anyone sign a contract like this?
You’re trying to reason with the second (maybe third) dumbest poster on this board
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:27 pm to Obtuse1
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No, you are missing the concept of ambiguity.
I fully understand what ambiguity is lol
Still, if he or his agent had faith that he could keep his mouth shut and not do stupid shite, this wouldn’t be an issue at all lol
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:28 pm to TackySweater
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Still, if he or his agent had faith that he could keep his mouth shut and not do stupid shite, this wouldn’t be an issue at all lol
You somehow come off as less stupid when you’re intentionally vague lol
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:35 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You somehow come off as less stupid when you’re intentionally vague lol
This really isn’t supposed to be vague and mysterious lol. Just don’t do stupid shite, keep your mouth shut, and play ball.
If they had faith he could do that, this shouldn’t be an issue.
They are saying, “no we aren’t confident he won’t do or say stupid shite, but we want the money either way.”
That’s a completely asinine thing to expect as one part of a business deal lol
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:44 pm to TackySweater
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this shouldn’t be an issue.
Of course it should. You’re just retarded
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:48 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Of course it should. You’re just retarded
Like I said, if they had faith he won’t do stupid shite or say dumb shite, this would be done. But they obviously do not.
There’s absolutely no other reason why this isn’t signed lol
Posted on 7/23/25 at 6:54 pm to TackySweater
The moron Bengals drafting the moron Stewart was a match made in heaven
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:02 pm to Sun God
Mike Brown is bitch
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:16 pm to TackySweater
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I fully understand what ambiguity is lol
Still, if he or his agent had faith that he could keep his mouth shut and not do stupid shite, this wouldn’t be an issue at all lol
If you were as bright as a small appliance bulb, you would realize the second statement is not congruous with the first.
The issue is that the terms of a contract clause could arguably be triggered by scenarios that no reasonable person would anticipate. Signing a contract with ambiguous clauses, especially one that is not typical within an industry, that leaves so much wiggle room for litigation, is stupid. The contract is not as much about controlling behavior as it is about making guarantees, not really guarantees.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:26 pm to Obtuse1
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triggered by scenarios that no reasonable person would anticipate.
Ok. Like what?
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about making guarantees, not really guarantees.
Well, it’s guaranteed, if he doesn’t do or say anything stupid. He and his camp don’t have confidence that he can do that. Hence they won’t sign it. If they were, this wouldn’t be an issue.
They are saying, “no we aren’t confident he won’t do or say stupid shite, but we want the money either way.”
Like I said, that’s a completely asinine thing to expect as one part of a business deal lol
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:30 pm to FLBooGoTigs1
Stewart absolutely shouldn’t sign that deal Get a clue
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:44 pm to TackySweater
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Well, it’s guaranteed, if he doesn’t do or say anything stupid.
No, it is about saying/doing anything which could cause any segment of the public to lose respect for the Bengals team.
As someone else already posted, Joey Bosa wearing a Trump hat couldve voided his contract under similar wording, there were 49ers fans upset at the team for "letting" him do that.
Brees contract couldve been voided under similar wording for the Jacob Blake helmet sticker in practice as well as it caused a lot of members of this site to lose respect for the Saints.
If your contract is only guaranteed if you don't say anything any of the fans disagree with for the next 4 years, it isn't really guaranteed. He would always be able to take it to the courts to contest, but who really wants getting all their money to hinge on beating a billionaire in court?
This post was edited on 7/23/25 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 7/23/25 at 7:52 pm to TackySweater
Define stupid…..
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:10 pm to TackySweater
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triggered by scenarios that no reasonable person would anticipate.
Ok. Like what?
Nobody ever accused you of having a logical mind, have they? The point is that scenarios are difficult to impossible to anticipate with ambiguous contract terms.
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Well, it’s guaranteed, if he doesn’t do or say anything stupid.
While the contract doesn't use those words, you demonstrate again you don't understand ambiguous language. The word stupid is not an industry term of art, it doesn't have a legal meaning. What is stupid to you might not be stupid to someone else. Ambiguous language sets up a situation where it is impossible for both entities signing a contract to be of one mind.
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Like I said, that’s a completely asinine thing to expect as one part of a business deal lol
It is asinine to expect a player to sign a contract with outlier ambiguous language. Stick a half dozen associates on any pro athlete with that language in their contract, and after poring over everything they have said, they will find enough statements to make a prima facie case for breaking the contract. That contract language is not designed to prevent behavior it is designed to make it incredibly easy for the Bengals to void the contract for other reasons that would never fly if in the document. This is the kind of crap you see in an adhesion contract.
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:12 pm to Corinthians420
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If your contract is only guaranteed if you don't say anything any of the fans disagree with for the next 4 years
Why can’t they just shut up and play football?
Both of those actions were stupid things to do.
This isn’t hard lol
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:16 pm to Obtuse1
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Nobody ever accused you of having a logical mind, have they? The point is that scenarios are difficult to impossible to anticipate with ambiguous contract terms.
They aren’t really that hard to anticipate. This is really simple. Just shut up and play football. Why is this so hard for some of you?
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While the contract doesn't use those words, you demonstrate again you don't understand ambiguous language. The word stupid is not an industry term of art, it doesn't have a legal meaning.
Yea but anyone with common sense can determine what’s stupid to do or say. Maybe his camp is saying he’s not smart enough to determine what he should and should not do? That’s fair. But they shouldn’t expect the money, if he does something or days something stupid, and uses ignorance as his reason.
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is asinine to expect a player to sign a contract with outlier ambiguous language
Shut up and play football really isn’t that ambiguous. AGAIN, why is this so hard for some of y’all to wrap your heads around lol
Posted on 7/23/25 at 8:18 pm to TackySweater
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Shut up and play football really isn’t that ambiguous. AGAIN, why is this so hard for some of y’all to wrap your heads around lol
That would get you fined as well.
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