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re: Why doesn't the SWAC champ participate in the FCS playoff??
Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:34 pm to Errol P
Posted on 12/11/22 at 9:34 pm to Errol P
Exactly. The SWAC and MEAC records before they went this route were abysmal.
The pro-HBCU crowd can spin it all they want, but the fact is that neither conference performed well in the past.
Hell, the second best SWAC team got waxed in the playoffs last year. And I bet their attendance was horrible.
They found a way to make money and draw fans in while avoiding embarrassing losses. I see no issue with calling it like it is. It's good for them, and it's good for college football.
Everyone talks about not wanting to water down the CFP by expanding to 12. I thinking the SWAC and MEAC doing their thing keeps the FCS playoffs from being watered down, because their history proves they can't compete.
The pro-HBCU crowd can spin it all they want, but the fact is that neither conference performed well in the past.
Hell, the second best SWAC team got waxed in the playoffs last year. And I bet their attendance was horrible.
They found a way to make money and draw fans in while avoiding embarrassing losses. I see no issue with calling it like it is. It's good for them, and it's good for college football.
Everyone talks about not wanting to water down the CFP by expanding to 12. I thinking the SWAC and MEAC doing their thing keeps the FCS playoffs from being watered down, because their history proves they can't compete.
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Posted on 12/12/22 at 7:10 am to Ignignot
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Why doesn't the SWAC champ participate in the FCS playoff??
Because they would get embarrassed. North Dakota State or South Dakota State would name their score against Jackson State.
This post was edited on 12/12/22 at 7:12 am
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:30 am to Cowboyfan89
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The pro-HBCU crowd can spin it all they want, but the fact is that neither conference performed well in the past.
Hell, the second best SWAC team got waxed in the playoffs last year. And I bet their attendance was horrible.
They found a way to make money and draw fans in while avoiding embarrassing losses. I see no issue with calling it like it is. It's good for them, and it's good for college football.
Everyone talks about not wanting to water down the CFP by expanding to 12. I thinking the SWAC and MEAC doing their thing keeps the FCS playoffs from being watered down, because their history proves they can't compete.
This is true. FCS HBCU football is probably more D2 level rather than D1.
The same is true for the D2 HBCUs, they may be closer to D3 level. As they don't traditionally do well in the playoffs either.
In the D2 playoffs, there hasn't been a single HBCU champion in its 50 year history. Although, in 2012 Winston Salem did make it to the title game and lost, so I will give them credit for that.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 12:21 pm to BeachDude022
quote:That used to be the case and quite possibly is but SWAC schools don't support those games like they used to. I'd be willing to bet attendance is less than half of what it was for the same even 10-15 years ago.
Payout is better
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:06 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:I understand it's only "tradition" when White institutions speak of history , but meaningless past for HBCU'S. Right? HBCU'S cast a long shadow over FCS even today. Only FCS National awards:
He'll write a essay on how great the teams are using HOF players from the 70s
Eddie Robinson FCS COY( He's SWAC)Gram
Jerry Rice Award( He's SWAC)
Walter Payton award ( He's SWAC)
Buck Buchanan award ( He's SWAC) Gram
Doris Robinson Award ( She's SWAC) Gram
And for 44 out of 45 seasons the SWAC has led FCS in attendance again. Sorry they won't rearrange the schedule of 50-70k fan games to travel to Elon or St Francis or wherever & play in front of 3k fans.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 2:54 pm to sugar71
They weren't in it before the celebration bowl even ( although the meac was)
Mostly because they would 100% be getting molly whopped on a regular basis.
The MEAC until the collapse was the hbcu conference that actually had their shite together and they didn't really string runs together ( although SC State did beat app one year).
There's a reason fcs teams pay swac schools as buy games
Mostly because they would 100% be getting molly whopped on a regular basis.
The MEAC until the collapse was the hbcu conference that actually had their shite together and they didn't really string runs together ( although SC State did beat app one year).
There's a reason fcs teams pay swac schools as buy games
Posted on 12/12/22 at 4:03 pm to sugar71
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nd for 44 out of 45 seasons the SWAC has led FCS in attendance again. Sorry they won't rearrange the schedule of 50-70k fan games
If they have more fans than anyone else in FCS, you’d think they’d have the money to compete eventually… bet it all goes to the bands
Posted on 12/12/22 at 6:04 pm to sugar71
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And for 44 out of 45 seasons the SWAC has led FCS in attendance again.
And yet they still aren't really competitive with the top tier of the FCS. Hell, not even with the middle tier.
I bet alot of those fans aren't even there for the football. I mean, there's an entire movie that celebrates the best part of HBCU football games--Drumline. I mean, do you think all those people went to the Bayou Classic to watch 7-5 Southern play 3-8 Grambling? Or that 55k people actually cared to watch two 4-7 teams play in 2021?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 7:47 pm to QJenk
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QJenk
Consistent interior line( Offense especially) play has been it's true weakness.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:08 pm to Cowboyfan89
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And yet they still aren't really competitive with the top tier of the FCS. Hell, not even with the middle tier.
I bet alot of those fans aren't even there for the football. I mean, there's an entire movie that celebrates the best part of HBCU football games--Drumline. I mean, do you think all those people went to the Bayou Classic to watch 7-5 Southern play 3-8 Grambling? Or that 55k people actually cared to watch two 4-7 teams play in 2021?
They go because its tradition! Because its all a part of it. The football can be horrible but if the game is back and forth the fans will stick around to watch because the environment is an experience that we only get around ourselves. Its the football, its the band, its the tailgate, its the people. I don't know why folks around here act like they weren't tailgating at LSU in the 90s though LSU sucked.
They do what they have to, to survive. Many of those athletic departments depend on football season because its no where near packed houses for HBCU basketball or baseball, more like empty houses. The fact that they still pull the fans they do for football, they maximize on it and you can't blame em. Honestly, the Bayou Classic is experience isn't what it used to be and its still light years beyond any round of the FCS playoffs having been to games at NSU years ago and the national title game here in Frisco.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 8:17 pm to LABred08
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I don't know why folks around here act like they weren't tailgating at LSU in the 90s though LSU sucked.
A lot of them weren’t if LSU was drawing 85,000 back in the day and then attendance dropped to like 50k during those years
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:08 pm to Cowboyfan89
What SWAC team beat McNeese this year?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:17 pm to Ignignot
Would be interesting to see Jackson state this year. I say this as as a CU and LSU alum
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:45 pm to Cowboyfan89
The D-1AA/FCS playoff started in 1978 and FAMU won the first D-1AA Championship. The Bayou Classic started in 1974 in New Orleans. Apparently, the NCAA wasn't interested in including the SWAC. There are three teams in the SWAC that are still playing games the week of Thanksgiving, Southern, Grambling, and Alabama St. All the other schools were available for the playoff. The first Bayou Classic at Tulane was over 76,000 fans, no other two schools in all of FCS can come close to packing a stadium like that. And I see posters on various sports sites wanting us to move the Bayou Classic to an earlier date, why not move the playoff? Which came first the Bayou Classic or the playoff?
If the FCS playoff is so great why are there so many schools trying to move up to FBS?
If the FCS playoff is so great why are there so many schools trying to move up to FBS?
Posted on 12/12/22 at 9:49 pm to BgJag
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why not move the playoff?
Ok, give the SWAC champions a bye to the quarterfinals.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:03 pm to Ignignot
Money.
They aren’t typically competitive.
Money.
Their fan base can still be delusional.
Money.
I don’t blame HBCU’s on the money part.
I have often suggested that Southern and Grambling are missing out by not playing a non-conference basketball game on the Friday night prior to the Bayou classic. Have a late tip off and then have the drum lines square off at the half. Split the cost and gate (honestly, they could go to the Pels and probably get them to sponsor it...Brown Pelican Cup or BPC?). It is early in the season, you aren’t down on the team (could it be the opener?), and it would add a layer to the weekend’s festivities.
They aren’t typically competitive.
Money.
Their fan base can still be delusional.
Money.
I don’t blame HBCU’s on the money part.
I have often suggested that Southern and Grambling are missing out by not playing a non-conference basketball game on the Friday night prior to the Bayou classic. Have a late tip off and then have the drum lines square off at the half. Split the cost and gate (honestly, they could go to the Pels and probably get them to sponsor it...Brown Pelican Cup or BPC?). It is early in the season, you aren’t down on the team (could it be the opener?), and it would add a layer to the weekend’s festivities.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:05 pm to BgJag
quote:
why are there so many schools trying to move up to FBS
Money
Nonetheless, I like the FCS playoffs.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:09 pm to chalmetteowl
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Ok, give the SWAC champions a bye to the quarterfinals.
You and I can't make that decision, plus I have an issue with the bid process. I'm sure certain SWAC schools can out bid most school in FCS but the selection process doesn't always work in your favorite as was the case this year.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:13 pm to jimmy the leg
If I'm not mistaken, a few years ago they played either Tulane or UNO right before the Bayou Classic.
Posted on 12/12/22 at 10:20 pm to jimmy the leg
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I have often suggested that Southern and Grambling are missing out by not playing a non-conference basketball game on the Friday night prior to the Bayou classic. Have a late tip off and then have the drum lines square off at the half.
Apparently, you are not familiar with Bayou Classic weekend. You have over 30,000 people at the Battle of the band which lasts until around 10 pm or later. And the two school alumni have events all night the night before the game.
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